- 興味ないパンピーも着メロにしてたとかEven the general public who weren't even interested in them used their songs as their ringtones
- たぶん今よりみんなテレビ観てたしなA lot more people probably watched TV then compared to now
- ミリオン出しちゃうくらいSo popular that they came out with million-sellers
- そんな人気なかったようなI don't think they were actually that popular at all
- っていうかＡＫＢって未だにキモヲタにしか人気ないじゃんモー娘はあれでも一応は世間一般に認知されるぐらいにはがんばってた歌も多少はマシなのもあったしなIsn't AKB just popular with the kimo-wotas up to now?
MoMusu worked hard to at least become household names back then.
They even had quite a few pretty decent songs.
- モーニングコーヒーの頃が絶頂あとはワケわからんようになったおじさんのなかではなThey peaked with "Morning Coffee".
And then they didn't make any sense at all afterwards.
Well, at least for me, an old man.
- シングルどっちが売れてるの？Who has better singles sales?
- どっちのファンでもないがモー娘の方が歌が耳に残ってるI'm not a fan of either of the groups, but Morning Musume's songs have lasted longer in my ears
- AKBは極一部のキモにしか好かれてないが、モームスはわりと幅広い一般人にも好かれてたなAKB seems like it's just liked by an extremely small portion of gross guys, but Morning Musume was more widely accepted by the public
- 男より女に人気があったなクラスに１人は追加メンバーオーディション受けた奴が居たIt seemed like they were more popular with the girls rather than the boys.
There was at least 1 girl in every class who went to the additional member auditions back then.
- 握手権なしでミリオンThey sold millions without handshake passes
- モーニング娘。はメンバー全員の顔と名前が一致するが、AKBはせいぜい15%ぐらいしか一致しない。それぐらい圧倒的な差がある。I can match the names with the faces of each Morning Musume member in my head, but I can only do that for about 15% of the AKB members. That's the overwhelming difference for me.
- なんだかんだ言ってAKBは凄いよ。いまどきミリオンばんばん出すんだもん。売り方はアコギでもやっぱり実績上げてるからな。個人的にはPerfumeが好きだが…But whatever people may say, AKB's still amazing for releasing all these million-sellers one after another.
Their business model may be evil and selfish, but they still produced the results.
Though I personally prefer Perfume...
- ゴマキが登場したときは衝撃受けたI was literally shocked when GoMaki made her appearance for the first time
- 全盛期のモーニング娘。が握手会やったら機動隊が出動するレベルIf Morning Musume held a handshake event in their prime, it would have been on a level where they would have needed to deploy the riot police
- 前田敦子いなくなってからはどっこいくらいかなThey became equal when Atsuko Maeda left
- 自分が10代、20代で若かった頃を美化したいのと、とにかくAKBが嫌いというのが合わさって過大評価されてるけど、普通におっさんがモー娘好きだとか言ったらキチガイ扱いだったよ。I think Morning Musume are being overrated jointly by...
- People who want to glorify their youth (teens, 20's)
- People who hate AKB
But if you were an old guy and you said that you liked Morning Musume back then, people would have called you crazy.
- 娘。ピーク時に握手券つけてたらAKBの何倍もすごかったんじゃねえのMaybe Musume would have been many times more popular than AKB if they threw handshake passes into their CDs during their prime
- AKBになっちの全盛期を超える奴は存在しないThere's no one in AKB who could surpass Nacchi during her prime
- 今、ピンクレディーを語る人たちって、ピンクレディー全盛期に子供（20代前半なんかも含めてね）であって、「当時の大人がピンクレディーをどう見ていたか」なんてほとんど資料残らないんだよ。昔のアイドルの美化現象なんてほぼこれ。People who talk about Pink Lady these days were kids (including people around their 20s) during Pink Lady's peak, and we have almost no more references and materials which would prove what the adults back then thought about Pink Lady.
This is mostly the case why our former idols are all being idealized.
- 今のパヒュームくらいThey're like what Perfume is now
- 忘年会でラブマシーンとかやってただろPeople used to sing "Love Machine" a lot at year-end parties, right?
- 全員名前を言えるのが普通という意味ではAKBより上だなJust in the sense that I could recite all their names means they're better than AKB
- ピーク時はCDが結構売れたみたいだがやっぱり熱狂するのはキモオタどもで、人気という面では今のAKBの方が老若男女に受け入れられてるだろ握手会とかは家族連れも行くみたいだしThey did seem to sell quite a few during their peak, but the frantic ones are still the kimo-wotas. If it's just popularity, I think AKB is more widely accepted now by both men and women of all ages.
It even seems like there are cases where an entire family would go to their handshake events.
- たかだか10年やそこいらの過去ですら、ここまで美化されるんだからノスタルジーってのはすごいIt's only been 10 years or so, but if they're being glorified this much, then that means the power of nostalgia is amazing
- 全盛期のモー娘＞＞＞全盛期のAKB＞＞＞今のAKB＞＞＞＞＞＞＞＞＞＞＞＞今のモー娘MoMusu in their prime >>> AKB in their prime >>> The current AKB >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The current MoMusu
- 親が名前を言えたEven my parents knew all their names
- うたばん面白かった、亀井可愛かった、七夕ツアー面白かったUtaban was good, Kamei was cute, the Tanabata tour was good
- akbはオタクが百枚千枚単位でCD買ってるけど昔はそういう概念がなかったからモームスの方がすごいと思うがAKB's otakus buy CDs by the hundreds or the thousands, but that concept wasn't around back in the day so I think MoMusu was bigger
- 吉本と電通切ってアップフロントだけやって行くいった途端凋落The moment they cut ties with Yoshimoto and Dentsu, and just went with Up-front, they started falling
- どっちもどっちだと思うが結果はAKBの方がだしてるからAKBの勝ちなんじゃないかなまぁ後発は色々有利だけどSame difference I guess, but I think it's AKB's win because they have produced better results.
Then again, coming after someone else has a lot of advantages as well.
- どれぐらいすごかったか。・学校の行事や会社の宴会とかの出し物の定番。・当時の結婚式で一番使われる曲。・モー娘。のオーディションの競争率が異常。・Atokでもちゃんと「モーニング娘。」と変換できる。・ストリップで使われる歌謡曲で長年トップを維持。How amazing they were:
- Their songs and dances were staples during school and office events or parties.
- Their song was used the most in wedding ceremonies back then.
- The competition during MoMusu auditions was fierce.
- You can even change the characters to モーニング娘。 even on Atok
- Their songs were consistently at the top for a long time at strip joints.
- 全盛期のモー娘。は全国の万人規模のホールを満員にしてたけどAKBじゃ無理だと思うMorning Musume in their prime would have been able to fill the halls that can hold 10s of thousands all over Japan, but I don't think that's possible with AKB
- SPEEDみたいなガチで評価されてたグループに比べれば全盛期でもネタ扱いだっただろ今のAKBとそうかわらんBut Musume were still considered as novelties even during their prime, unlike SPEED who were seriously recognized for their talent.
They're not that different from AKB now.
- AKBと違って少なくとも歌って踊れてたAt least they were able to sing and dance, unlike AKB
- なんとなくだけどモー娘は歌手になりたい子の集まり対してAKBはただ有名になりたい子の集まりって感じだなThis is just an impression,
but MoMusu felt like a bunch of girls who wanted to become singers.
AKB on the other hand feels like a bunch of girls who just want to become popular.
- CDシングル売り上げ推移（2007年まで）CD single sales chart (up to 2007)
1 "Morning Coffee" 200,790
2 "Summer Night Town" 417,330
3 "Daite Hold on Me!" 497,120
4 "Memory Seishun no Hikari" 410,850
5 "Manatsu no Kōsen" 235,010
6 "Furusato" 170,670
7 "Love Machine" 1,646,630
8 "Koi no Dance Site" 1,229,970
9 "Happy Summer Wedding" 990,950
10 "I Wish" 654,640
11 "Ren'ai Revolution 21" 986,040
12 "The Peace!" 682,320
13 "Mr. Moonlight (Ai no Big Band)" 513,340
14 "Sōda! We're Alive" 443,630
15 "Do It! Now" 312,523
16 "Koko ni Iruzee!" 228,542
17 "Morning Musume no Hyokkori Hyōtanjima" 151,342
18 "As for One Day" 129,893
19 "Shabondama" 151,104
20 "Go Girl (Koi no Victory)" 145,340
21 "Ai Araba It's All Right" 108,368
22 "Roman (My Dear Boy)" 87,255
23 "Joshi Kashimashi Monogatari" 91,789
24 "Namida ga Tomaranai Hōkago" 65,873
25 "The Manpower!!!" 67,860
26 "Osaka Koi no Uta" 59,287
27 "Iroppoi Jirettai" 82,200
28 "Chokkan 2 " 54,428
29 "Sexy Boy (Soyokaze ni Yorisotte)" 48,667
30 "Ambitious! Yashinteki de Ii Jan" 47,159
31 "Aruiteru" 55,694
32 "Egao Yes Nude" 53,047
33 "Kanashimi Twilight" 61,322
34 "Onna ni Sachi Are" 50,812
35 "Mikan" 38,667
- 矢口も結構良い仕事してたよなうまくバランスとれてた黄金期はすごかったEven Yaguchi did a good job back then.
Their golden era was amazing as they were very well balanced.
- どっちも松田聖子には敵わないBoth of these groups don't stand a chance against Seiko Matsuda
- ただ曲が流行った感じだなIt just felt to me that their songs became popular
- どこの忘年会でもラブマシ−ン大合唱だったAll year-end parties were like this huge chorus of "Love Machine"
- AKBは人数多すぎて、単体ギャラで見ればモー娘。のほうが上なんじゃねAKB just have too many members. If you just look at individual salaries, I think MoMusu was paid better.
- ラブマシーンあたりがピークだったんじゃないかなThey must have peaked during "LOVE Machine"
- 同じミリオンでもモームスは100万人が買ったAKBは実数はせいぜい1/10ぐらいだろ？圧倒的な差があるわなEven if they sold millions, 1 million people bought Morning Musume's CD.
For AKB, it must only be around 1/10 of that.
That's an overwhelming difference.
- 全盛期対決SPEED＞＞安室＞＞＞＞あやや＞＞モー娘＞AKB＞MAXこんな感じDuring each one's peak
SPEED >> Amuro >>>> Ayaya >> MoMusu > AKB > MAX
I think this is how it was.
- ラブマシーン、ハッピーサマーウェディングあたりは人気あったAKBで言うならヘビロテくらい一般認知あったしかもあの時代はCDが売れてた時代だからライバルも多い中でのダントツ"LOVE Machine" and "Happy Summer Wedding" were popular.
With AKB, "Heavy Rotation" was the only one that stuck in people's minds.
And CDs were still selling a lot back in the day, so they stood on top even if they had a lot of rivals.
- AKBは初動で190万枚以上売れるグループだからな後にも先にもこんな化物グループ出てこないだろうなAKB's a group who could sell 1.9 million on their initial release.
I don't think there will ever be another monster group like this in the future.
- モー娘。はあの何でも売れる時代にあのイモくささでピークが２年程度だからな比較がそもそもＡＫＢとじゃ成立しないただの思い出補正マジレスしとくわMorning Musume who felt provincial lasted only 2 years at the top during those times when anything and everything would sell.
AKB shouldn't even be the point of comparison.
People are just hung up in nostalgia.
Sorry for getting serious.
- 歌もダンスもAKBよりなマシだったイメージ。まぁ当時もあんまり興味なかったけどMy impression is that they're much more decent at singing and dancing compared to AKB.
Well, I really didn't give a damn back then as well.
- ラブマシーン以降の数曲は国民誰でも知ってるレベルだろラブマ以前の人気も相当なもんだったがEven some of the songs that came out after "LOVE Machine" were well known to the public. Actually, even the songs before "LOVE Machine" were super popular too.
- テレビの力云々いうけど、じゃあ「モームス。が凄かった！！」というのもテレビが一般に浸透させたイメージではないか？People talk about the power of TV back then, then doesn't that mean that it was also the strength of TV that helped plant the image that "MoMusu is amazing!!" among the general public?
- 2ちゃんの盛り上がりとモーニング娘。は完全にシンクロしてたよね実況が生まれたのもｷﾀ━━━━━(ﾟ∀ﾟ)━━━━━!!!も全部モー娘。で始まったわけだしThe way 2chan grew and surged was completely synchronized with the Morning Musume boom, right?
The live showtime threads, as well as Kita━━━━━(ﾟ∀ﾟ)━━━━━!!! all started because of Morning Musume after all.
- AKBは10年以上経っても残る代表曲ってあるんかな？Does AKB have a song that will remain even after 10 years which can be called their defining song?
- この当時のメンバーと、この曲が最高、永久保存版モーニング娘。『恋愛レボリューション21』The members at this time, and this song, were the best. This is something that will last forever.
Morning Musume "Renai Revolution 21"
- AKBもヘビロテだけは残る問題なのは連発しているミリオン曲がどれもこれも認知度でヘビロテに遠く及ばないことFor AKB, "Heavy Rotation" will be passed on for generations to come.
The problem here is that people's awareness level of all these million sellers that they've been coming out with aren't even on the level of "Heavy Rotation".
- 時代がちがうからどっちも凄かったって事でおｋThey're from 2 different periods so why can't we just say that both were amazing
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