マジで!? MAJI DE!?: Tamori & co.: "Perfume, MomoClo are better than AKB"

Monday, September 9, 2013

Tamori & co.: "Perfume, MomoClo are better than AKB"

1：オリンピック予選スラム(新疆ウイグル自治区) 2013/09/05(木) 21:14:27.10 ID:e0ZgTWwjP

On September 1's Iitomo, the footage of the after-show free-for-all discussions that took place after the August 26 episode was shown, where they started talking about the different idol groups.

Tamori: "MomoClo's much more amazing than AKB48."
Chihara Junior: "Perfume is amazing, I didn't realize 2 hours passed by so quickly while watching their live DVD."
Sashihara: "But what AKB does are 'idol dances'."

Masakazu Mimura commented on Tomomi Itano, whom she saw taking lessons: "Her thighs are amazing!". Sashihara said that Itano has been dancing since she was small, and used to be a back up dancer for EXILE.

Tamori then imitated the "Koi suru fortune cookie" dance step and said: "Compared with the others, this is only what you're doing".

Sashihara smiled and just said, "Thank you very much".

Junior commented on the dance: "That's just stretching!", to which Tamori symphatized: "It is just stretching". Sashihara told the 2:
"We're dancing properly! But it's true that the other idols are amazing."

Source: http://news.livedoor.com/article/detail/8025949/

http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/akb_matome_yaruka/imgs/d/4/d4fafdd4.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKd6Iqsp3hs

5：ファイヤーバードスプラッシュ(福井県) 2013/09/05(木) 21:17:01.66 ID:vbYrg0YZ0

ハロプロは無視ですかそうですか

Ignoring Hello! Pro now, are we?

7：膝十字固め(dion軍) 2013/09/05(木) 21:17:45.08 ID:jIqW8dug0

こんな正直な発言ができるってのは

やっぱり辞めるからなんだな

For him to be able to say things so bluntly like this must really mean that he's retiring.

10：ジャンピングカラテキック(東日本) 2013/09/05(木) 21:19:36.52 ID:vT3MPGx00

perfume見てきたけど確かに凄いな

さすがに2時間は無理だが10分ぐらいなら見れるわ

I watched Perfume, and it's true that they're amazing.
Though it'll be impossible for me to watch them for 2 hours, I'd be able to for 10 minutes.

http://blog-imgs-60-origin.fc2.com/p/e/r/perfume2480/20130714025026b47.jpg

12：不知火(埼玉県) 2013/09/05(木) 21:20:26.16 ID:FDT3HbIi0

で、タモリさんは何か間違った事言ってんの？

この記事はなにが言いたいの？

So. Did Tamori say something wrong?
What is this article trying to say?

13：アンクルホールド(dion軍) 2013/09/05(木) 21:20:38.34 ID:ypBnui5T0

タモさんMステでライブで見てるからなおさら違いとかわかってるでしょ

Tamo-san sees all of these artists live on Music Station so he can definitely tell the difference

14：アルゼンチンバックブリーカー(神奈川県) 2013/09/05(木) 21:20:57.28 ID:KfrG8JIp0

ツイッターじゃなくて直接いうのは愛情だろ

指原は結構美味しかったと思ってるはずだ

But saying something like this personally to Sashihara and not through something like Twitter means he's showing his love for them.
Sashihara's probably thinking that this was a pretty good experience.

19：ネックハンギングツリー(新疆ウイグル自治区) 2013/09/05(木) 21:22:07.01 ID:pjXJ/y/n0

じゃあ聞くけどPerfumeももクロはこんなダンスできるの？

Then let me ask you guys, can Perfume or MomoClo dance like this?

http://tateyama21.biz/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/22e3d3a6.jpg

29：ブラディサンデー(庭) 2013/09/05(木) 21:24:42.72 ID:SdjucEqh0: >>19

おっパブ以下じゃねーか
That looks sleazier than those pub dancers

36：シャイニングウィザード(関東・甲信越) 2013/09/05(木) 21:27:00.14 ID:mEG9UQKLO: >>19

アイドルにだって尊厳はあるんだぜ
Even idols have dignity

60：シャイニングウィザード(滋賀県) 2013/09/05(木) 21:41:16.30 ID:hIS4SqJ20: >>19

ショーパブかよ
Is this a show pub or something?

91：タイガードライバー(埼玉県) 2013/09/05(木) 22:21:28.38 ID:xO+pVMw50: >>19

こんな股開きはやってほしくないわ

AKBに任せた！
I don't want them opening their legs like this.
Just leave these things up to AKB!

21：チェーン攻撃(愛知県) 2013/09/05(木) 21:22:21.55 ID:XVErHCyv0

正論じゃん

That's a sound argument

24：雪崩式ブレーンバスター(兵庫県) 2013/09/05(木) 21:23:34.15 ID:wpp9pmNO0

魅力はさておき

高度な技術を必要としないという点では異論は無いわけだ

The question of whether or not it has appeal aside, there are no objections to the fact that they do not require a high level of technical skill.

27：エメラルドフロウジョン(新疆ウイグル自治区) 2013/09/05(木) 21:24:24.59 ID:szYS9k9o0

パヒュームはスクールでダンスの上手い奴を選って作ったからＡＫＢと根本的に違うのよな

But the good dancers were chosen from schools to become Perfume members so they're basically different from AKB.

28：ドラゴンスリーパー(芋) 2013/09/05(木) 21:24:36.49 ID:JTcTUBgf0

単純に「AKBは下手」でいいと思うんだけど

他の2組に変な火の粉ふりかかるやん

He should have just said, "AKB's bad", and stopped. He'll just spread fire to the other 2 groups.

34：エメラルドフロウジョン(新疆ウイグル自治区) 2013/09/05(木) 21:26:38.69 ID:szYS9k9o0: >>28

ド素人から始めてる割には上手いほうだろ

モモ黒はモモ黒で中学の頃から事務所の過酷なレッスンに耐えた奴ら
But to think that they started out as amateurs, they're pretty good.
Even MomoClo have been under intense training from their agency ever since they were in junior high.

37：オリンピック予選スラム(禿) 2013/09/05(木) 21:27:38.26 ID:9pSSrxJti

南こうせつが歌番組でブチキレてたぞ

南こうせつ[誰とかとは言いませんけどね～最近多いじゃないですかあぁ！口パクとかね～ほんとね～許せないんですよ！！]

Kosetsu Minami got extremely pissed in a music program.
Kosetsu Minami: "I won't say who, but there are really a lot of them these days! These lip-syncers~ seriously~ unforgivable!!"

http://sp.eplus.jp/selection_sp/image/vol28/minami.jpg

39：キドクラッチ(兵庫県) 2013/09/05(木) 21:28:56.71 ID:jB+b4AlA0

プロデューサーのレベルの違い

モー娘→つんく

ももクロ→前山田健一

パフューム→ナカタヤスタカ

ＡＫＢ→秋元（笑）

It all boils down to the producers
MoMusu→Tsunku
MomoClo→Kenichi Maeyamada
Perfume→Yasutaka Nakata
AKB→Akimoto (LOL)

41：男色ドライバー(新疆ウイグル自治区) 2013/09/05(木) 21:29:55.51 ID:2s9h22Yu0: >>39

前山田はもうとっくに降ろされてる
Maeyamada's already been dropped for some time now

45：ボラギノール(千葉県) 2013/09/05(木) 21:34:05.95 ID:CtvSv2aJ0

別にももクロもPerfumeも凄くない

Perfumeに関しては回りを固めるスタッフが優秀なだけ

I don't think MomoClo or Perfume are that great.
In Perfume's case, I think it's the staff around them that are amazing.

48：ドラゴンスクリュー(千葉県) 2013/09/05(木) 21:35:23.57 ID:ACi2OGjV0

ダンスだけでａｋｂならゴウリキ姉さんのがマシ。

If it's just dancing, I actually prefer big-sis Gouriki's moves

136：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/09/05(木) 20:38:08.75 ID:i+Zq4f0f0

Perfumeファンだけどあのダンスは3人で努力して練習を積み重ねたから綺麗に揃ってるのであって、ダンスそのものの難易度はそこまで高くないかと

I'm a Perfume fan. Their dance looks beautiful because the 3 of them worked hard so they look pretty and synchronized. But the dance itself isn't that difficult.

148：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/09/05(木) 20:42:10.78 ID:NBAIOGOj0: >>136

一般人からすれば、ハイヒールをはいてあの動きは

難易度は高いと言わざるお得ない。
But from the general public's point of view, you have no choice but to say that what they're doing is hard especially when you realize that they're wearing high heels.

149：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/09/05(木) 20:42:19.28 ID:tzccPeosi: >>136

その努力が難易度高いと思うんだが
I think the effort that they put in is hard in itself

153：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/09/05(木) 20:43:21.83 ID:tD78xRLX0

タモさんが褒めてるのはももクロだけじゃん

パヒュームヲタ捏造するなよ

Tamo-san's only praised MomoClo.
Perfume-wotas, stop making up stuff.

http://momo96.wkeya.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/121226_lisani_momo01-480x319.jpg

156：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/09/05(木) 20:45:17.46 ID:DWvJnhz30: >>153

40秒当たりでジュニアに同調して「パヒュームは凄いねあれ」つってる。声が三村と被ってるけど
Check out from around 0:40~, he agreed with Junior saying, "Perfume's amazing", though his voice overlapped with Mimura

160：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/09/05(木) 20:45:57.94 ID:F28PK3250: >>153

テレフォンショッキングのゲストの時何回も褒めてるよ
He praised them numerous times when they guested on Telephone Shocking

194：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/09/05(木) 20:55:12.42 ID:NBAIOGOj0: >>153

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyLRZapitzo

6分35秒くらいに。
See from 6:35~

218：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/09/05(木) 21:00:22.47 ID:25NOg0cz0

ももクロなんかたいしたダンスしてないじゃん

歌って踊れたSPEEDや安室に比べたらまだまだ

Even MomoClo aren't doing anything difficult.
You still can't compare them with SPEED and Namie Amuro who were able to sing and dance.

288：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/09/05(木) 21:16:57.01 ID:zHANIJCv0: >>218

SPEED(二人)だな
SPEED (2 of them) right

607：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/09/05(木) 22:39:43.61 ID:tD78xRLX0: >>218

SPEEDや安室を出すまでもない

パフュームはD&D以下

ももクロはFolder5以下
No need to even mention SPEED and Amuro.
Perfume is below D&D.
MomoClo is below Folder 5.

326：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/09/05(木) 21:24:50.35 ID:jmwGr0y90

ダンスのレベルがもう桁違い

Their dancing is on a different level

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIdWXhV33vs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=523BAc8exl0

53：ミラノ作どどんスズスロウン(三重県) 2013/09/05(木) 21:36:25.25 ID:HX+czmj+0

アイドルダンス＝てきとう

Idol dancing = random

55：不知火(福岡県) 2013/09/05(木) 21:36:33.52 ID:lYXSgVtD0

別にAKB擁護するわけじゃないが

昔のアイドルなんて左右にステップ踏むだけだったぞｗ

Not that I'm trying to stand up for AKB or anything, but idols of yesteryear only had to step left and right w

56：マシンガンチョップ(西日本) 2013/09/05(木) 21:37:14.58 ID:8nqMi0eI0

E-girlsは話題に上がらなかったのかな？

まだまだ知られてないのかねー

So E-girls isn't even mentioned?
So they're still not that popular?

http://tokai-tv.com/dance2013/common/img/e_img.jpg

58：ファイヤーバードスプラッシュ(福井県) 2013/09/05(木) 21:39:09.52 ID:vbYrg0YZ0: >>56

アイドルじゃなくてアーティストらしい
They're apparently artists, not idols

61：スパイダージャーマン(茸) 2013/09/05(木) 21:42:10.15 ID:xNNVEdi50

タモリが言ってること合ってるやん、そして炎上商法になるだけ。はい解散

What Tamori said is true. And it's just being exaggerated.
Alright guys, nothing to see here.

71：雪崩式ブレーンバスター(茸) 2013/09/05(木) 21:51:07.04 ID:NqviOQVh0

タモさんわかってるな

Tamo-san really knows his stuff

72：膝靭帯固め(やわらか銀行) 2013/09/05(木) 21:53:08.97 ID:L4F7YK930

AKBを話題にしていただいてありがとうございますｍ（＿＿）ｍ

これからもAKBの宣伝よろしくお願い致しますｍ（＿＿）ｍ

Thank you very much for talking about AKB ｍ（＿＿）ｍ
Please keep promoting AKB moving forward ｍ（＿＿）ｍ

77：キングコングラリアット(関東・甲信越) 2013/09/05(木) 21:56:34.71 ID:s+X+cYPgO

正直、ダンスだけならK-POPの方が上だな

When it comes to dancing, honestly, K-POP is better

80：ファイナルカット(家) 2013/09/05(木) 22:01:26.18 ID:6ljANYWv0

まぁ正論ですわね

Well, he speaks of the truth

83：梅ヶ枝餅 ◆MOTI..op.. (福岡県) 2013/09/05(木) 22:03:43.60 ID:ayzYJEdv0

こんなにわかりやすく偏った記事はなかなかお目にかかれない

Such an obvious and one-sided article like this is pretty rare

85：メンマ(埼玉県) 2013/09/05(木) 22:11:01.57 ID:9NFV25/b0

正論すぎるな

Nothing but the truth

95：キャプチュード(新疆ウイグル自治区) 2013/09/05(木) 22:29:43.29 ID:F9HvSttv0

タモリがディスった恋するフォーチュンクッキーのダンス

"Koi suru Fortune Cookie" dance which Tamori dissed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OVGw28XWW4

106：バックドロップ(埼玉県) 2013/09/05(木) 22:43:59.26 ID:f4/nzAHE0

Perfumeはすごいよなまじで

あのシンクロ感はそうとうストイックにレッスンしてるだろうなと

But Perfume's seriously amazing.
That kind of synchronization can only be achieved through rigorous training.

113：リバースネックブリーカー(東京都) 2013/09/05(木) 22:49:55.43 ID:2SjzNbm00: >>106

最近はあんまりレッスンできてないらしい

でも新曲の振りはだいたい2時間で覚える

まあ、デビュー13年だから、鍛え方が違うわな
I heard they haven't been able to do too much lessons these days.
But they are able to learn the steps to their new songs in about 2 hours.

Well, it's been 13 years since their debut, so the way they have been trained is really different from the rest.

98：男色ドライバー(芋) 2013/09/05(木) 22:31:31.25 ID:Dfo6vEZh0