I heard that it was pretty much split even between the 2 of them around the year 2000
Utada, with a ratio of 8:2
Kukki vs. Hikki
I prefer Kuraki, but Utada appealed more to the elderly.
女は宇多田
Men liked Kuraki. Women liked Utada.
- 11:名無し募集中。。。＠＼(^o^)／ 2014/06/07(土) 12:46:21.32 0.net
- >>6そんなのない
No, I don't think so
It was Hikaru Utada, and it's not even worth debating
- 12:名無し募集中。。。＠＼(^o^)／ 2014/06/07(土) 12:46:43.79 0.net
- >>7が結論
Is the final answer
Kuraki was also popular among the idol wotas
It's Utada...
宇多田ヒカルが凄すぎた
It's not like Mai Kuraki wasn't popular. It's just that Hikaru Utada was too amazing.
2000年は倉木
以降は宇多田
休業までずっと宇多田
倉木の方がオカズ需要多いｗｗｗｗｗ
1999 it was Utada.
2000 it was Kuraki.
And after that, it's been all Utada until she went on hiatus. Kuraki was more in-demand for fapping, though wwwww
http://blogs.c.yimg.jp/res/blog-f7-4b/mikanga_01414/folder/1351870/55/37286455/img_0
I'd be too embarassed to say that I like Utada
That era was like the culmination of the girls' R&B boom which began in 1996. Singers like JUJU and Thelma Aoyama still came out after 2005, but the boom completely vanished around this time thanks to the mass influx of AKB.
社会現象レベルのブームの宇多田と比較するのはちょっと
I like Kuraki too, but it's not right to compare her to Utada who was a social phenomenon
Utada, Kuraki, Hamasaki. Who would've thought that all of them would disappear.
Kuraki was someone who acted like an artist and tried going up against Utada with just her lyric-writing w
Secret of my heart is a classic
- 34:名無し募集中。。。＠＼(^o^)／ 2014/06/07(土) 12:54:44.92 0.net
- >>25というか倉木はそれくらいしかまともな曲がない それ一曲で十分評価に値するレベルのアーティストだけど やっぱ全盛期の宇多田は偉大すぎる
Actually, that's the only decent release Kuraki had. She's an artist who has lived up to her reputation with just that one song, but Utada in her prime was just too great.
- 35:名無し募集中。。。＠＼(^o^)／ 2014/06/07(土) 12:54:46.94 0.net
- >>25名曲でも重要な作曲は別の人 倉木の手柄じゃない
It may be a classic, but the important thing here is that someone else composed it. It's not Kuraki's achievement.
- 37:名無し募集中。。。＠＼(^o^)／ 2014/06/07(土) 12:55:06.29 0.net
- >>25確かに曲名聞けばサビ思い出せるな
Right, I can remember how the chorus goes just by hearing the title of that song
倉木のほうが圧倒的に好きかわいいもん
Hikaru Utada's popularity was great, but I preferred Kuraki much, much more to her. Because she's cute.
- 30:名無し募集中。。。＠＼(^o^)／ 2014/06/07(土) 12:53:35.50 0.net
- >>27よく見ると大して可愛くない
She's not really that cute, especially when you take a closer look at her
But Kuraki was just an Utada rip-off
Hama-chan said that which became an issue, right?
It felt like Downtown became more subdued around the time they apologized to Kuraki
宇多田の曲は今聴くと、めっちゃ古臭く感じる PHSとか出てくるしｗ
I think Kuraki's songs are more bearable to listen to now. When you listen to Utada's songs, they all seem so old. You can even hear about PHS there w
- 36:名無し募集中。。。＠＼(^o^)／ 2014/06/07(土) 12:54:55.87 0.net
- >>31変わってるな
You're weird
- 41:名無し募集中。。。＠＼(^o^)／ 2014/06/07(土) 12:56:13.21 0.net
- >>31古臭いって感覚がわからん
その当時の価値観として聞けばいいだけ
60年代の曲を現代の物差しで計って聞くやつなんかいないだろ
I don't get it when you say they sound old. Just listen to it while you bear in mind the sense of standards that they had at that time. I don't think there's anyone who'd listen to '60s songs now and compare it with our current standards.
ビートルズを古臭いって批判してるようなもの バカとしかいえない
Right, it's like criticizing the Beatles for sounding old-fashioned. All I can say is that you're stupid.
Kuraki's got a lot of nice songs. I still listen to quite a number of her songs.
Honestly though, only Kuraki's first 3 songs were good
I liked "Feel Fine"
Stay by my side
Secret of my heart
この3曲以外の曲はあまり知られてない気がする
I think no one knows much outside of these 3 songs
やたらライバルみたいに比較されてたな
I never thought that Kuraki and Utada were that similar, but they were pit against each other so much like they were rivals
- 59:名無し募集中。。。＠＼(^o^)／ 2014/06/07(土) 13:06:18.00 0.net
- >>54倉木側が一方的に売れてる宇多田の対みたいにしたかったんだろ
ビートルズに対するモンキーズみたいなもん
作曲できるできないに関しても
だから倉木のハリボテ感は否めない どっちも好きだけどね
Kuraki's side just wanted to set themselves up as the rival of massively profitable Utada one-sidedly. It was like how the Monkees felt they were the competitors of the Beatles. Regardless of whether you can compose songs or not. And that's why you can't hide that sense of lameness away from Kuraki. I liked them both, though.
土俵が違う
Utada's a singer/songwriter. Kuraki's just a singer.
The stage is different in the first place.
Any proof that Utada writes her own stuff?
- 63 ：名無し募集中。。。＠＼(^o^)／：2014/06/07(土) 13:07:46.84 0.net
- >>56なんで宇多田に関してだけそれいうの？ それ言い出したら作曲シーンを公開してない限りどんなアーティストもバンドも根拠がないことになるな
Why are you just saying that about Utada? Once you start arguing like that, then that makes all artists and bands have no proof unless they show the actual scenes and process where they're making the songs.
I think I'm witnessing history being falsely rewritten right in front of my eyes
Anime-wotas and Idol-wotas are Kuraki's allies
いつまでも10代の時のイメージ
I still can't get over the fact that Kuraki and Utada are turning 32. I've always had this image that they're teenagers forever.
歌ど下手だし声量の無さは歌手やっちゃいけないレベル
宇多田と比べるなら浜崎だな
Kuraki just doesn't stand a chance, both in sales and ability. She was bad at singing, and her voice was so small, she shouldn't have been a singer in the first place. If you want to compare someone to Utada, it should be Hamasaki.
宇多田はイタリア人と結婚してわけわからなくなってるな
Is Kuraki still active in the business? I haven't been hearing much of her. Utada's going astray now as she just got married to this Italian guy.
(Related post HERE)
- 103:名無し募集中。。。＠＼(^o^)／ 2014/06/07(土) 13:28:49.95 0.net
- >>87あまりに売れないからキャラ変えたみたい
魔女宅の実写で変な歌歌ってた
She hasn't been selling a lot so it looks like she changed her persona. She sang this weird song in the Majo no Takkyubin movie.
(Related post HERE)
If only Hamata kept silent about it, then the genius would have never gotten involved with the commoner
- 93:名無し募集中。。。＠＼(^o^)／ 2014/06/07(土) 13:22:47.01 0.net
- >>88でもみんな思ってたからなー
But that's really how everyone felt
- 98:名無し募集中。。。＠＼(^o^)／ 2014/06/07(土) 13:24:14.21 0.net
- >>93マジで？似せてるとも思って無かったわ 色々足りなすぎて
Really? I never even thought that she was trying to imitate Utada. She was just too lacking in a lot of departments.
- 104:名無し募集中。。。＠＼(^o^)／ 2014/06/07(土) 13:29:10.21 0.net
- >>98オレは二番煎じ来たよって思ってた
I just thought, "Oh, a 2nd-rate re-hash"
- 108:名無し募集中。。。＠＼(^o^)／ 2014/06/07(土) 13:32:23.37 0.net
- >>98あまりにあざと過ぎて突っ込むのもアホらしく感じるレベルだったよ 当時の2chの音楽板じゃ「暗き魔威 氏ね」とか叩かれまくってた
It all felt too unscrupulous, and you'd just be a fool to make fun of it. Everyone on the 2ch music boards were saying "Mai Kuraki, go to hell" back then.
- 112:名無し募集中。。。＠＼(^o^)／ 2014/06/07(土) 13:35:00.59 0.net
- >>108そうなんだ ハマタのあれ当時2ちゃんあったらどんな反応とか思ったけどよく考えたら2ちゃんもうあったな
Is that so? I was thinking how 2channel would have reacted to Hamata's comment, but 2channel was already around at that time.
いつの間にかこうだくみとかAKBにその座を奪われた挙句
今じゃすっかり売れなくなって態度だけは女王様で声は
大友康平というネタ歌手になってしまったが
Hamasaki was also really popular back then, even if it was just among the young girls. And that throne was taken away from her by Kumi Koda and AKB, as even now she's still got the attitude of a queen who can't sell. And her voice? It turned into the voice of this novelty singer Kohei Otomo.
Kuraki was considered like pus in this industry thanks to the Hamada fracas
http://www.geocities.co.jp/Hollywood-Miyuki/7914/hamada.JPG
Kuraki's dad was a sly old fox
Kuraki's image went down quite a lot because of her stupid old man
小室ブームの終焉と共に消えるかと思ったがこの人が本当に
歌手として真価を発揮したのはむしろ小室と決別した後
同じavexでも浜崎とか幸田なんて所詮は流行モノだったんだな
And compared to these 2, you can not help but be amazed at how stable Amuro has been. People thought that she'd disappear along with the end of the Komuro boom, but she actually proved her worth much more when she was separated from Komuro. Even if she's from Avex too, it just goes to show that Hamasaki and Koda were nothing more than mere fads.
なんで倉木みたいな有象無象の一人と比較するのか分からん どっちも好きだけど毎度のことながらこの対立構造はナゾだわ
Utada's on a level where she has etched her name in the history of Japanese music, right? I don't get how you dare compare her to someone who's ragtag like Kuraki. I like both of them, and these comparisons always come up a lot, but I still don't get how you can pit them up against each other.
My music teacher who took up a singing course said that Kuraki's a better singer while Utada's singing has a peculiar touch to it
- 127:名無し募集中。。。＠＼(^o^)／ 2014/06/07(土) 13:47:47.05 0.net
- >>123クセが個性なのに 所詮カラオケ教師の意見だなｗ
But that peculiarness is her personality. Hah, that's nothing but a mere opinion from a karaoke teacher w
I think Utada wins when it comes to the volume, vocal range, and technique. Kuraki might have the range and the technique, but she's got no volume. But I think she's amazing for establishing this new method called "whisper voice".
Utada peaked at "Can You Keep a Secret", and grade-wise, she wasn't that different from Kuraki. But Utada seems to have gotten sick of it and just said that she's going to do normal life stuff, so we actually don't know if she'll be coming back again in the field of music.
- 139:名無し募集中。。。＠＼(^o^)／ 2014/06/07(土) 13:56:55.61 0.net
- >>135いやいやそれ以降もファイナルディスタンストラベリング咲良ドロップスカラーズまで全然絶頂期だろ
No, no, no, even after that, her songs "Final Distance", "Traveling", "Sakura Drops", and "Colors" were still considered her prime
- 145:名無し募集中。。。＠＼(^o^)／ 2014/06/07(土) 14:00:47.11 0.net
- >>139そのあたりは紀里谷氏の影響からか作風が少し変化したので 個人的に好きくないやっぱり俺としてはcan you keep a secretあたりでピーク
Her songwriting style changed a bit at that time because of Kazu Kiriya's influence on her, and I personally don't like it. For me, "Can You Keep a Secret" was her peak.
- 149:名無し募集中。。。＠＼(^o^)／ 2014/06/07(土) 14:03:22.76 0.net
- >>145早すぎ 自分が>>135をどういう意図で書いたのかよく考えろ
That's too early. Think what your intention was when you wrote your response in >>135.
"Can You Keep A Secret?" matched perfectly well with HERO. The way the episode would come to a close and how the song would come in was perfect.
- 160:名無し募集中。。。＠＼(^o^)／ 2014/06/07(土) 14:08:07.78 0.net
- >>138映画のラストは絶対宇多田の曲かかると思ってたのに普通に終わって違和感半端無かった キムタクと松たか子のキスシーンで映像止まって「ちーかづきたいよー」って流れるかと思ったのに
I definitely thought that I would hear Utada's song at the ending of the HERO movie, but it felt too awkward when it just ended normally like that. I thought that the scene would pause at KimuTaku and Takako Matsu's kissing scene and start hearing "Chi-kadzukitaiyo-" at that point.
ダウンタウンの浜ちゃんの発言も炎上して大騒ぎ 今の興味や関心が細分化した日本社会では考えられない事態
Japan was split into pro-Kuraki and pro-Utada and was englufed in a huge flaming war.
Then it all exploded because of Hama-chan's comment and caused quite a huge uproar. It was something unimaginable from the current Japanese society where interest and concern have been segmented from each other.
可愛いから？
I think all men back then supported Kuraki. Because she was cute?
What's with people getting the idea that men supported Kuraki at that time? If it's the absolute number, then Utada had more male supporters.
- 170:名無し募集中。。。＠＼(^o^)／ 2014/06/07(土) 14:12:23.63 0.net
- >>165あくまでオナネタの割合かと
さすがにひげまろでオナネタは少数派だから
AVの世界では倉木麻衣似でビジネスになったからな 長瀬愛もそこらへんから出てきた人じゃなかったか
It's just the percentage of using her as fappage material. I think that only a minority fapped to mustache-girl. And business in the AV world was also in full-swing thanks to actresses who looked like Mai Kuraki. Even someone like Ai Nagase emerged from that, right?
- 171:名無し募集中。。。＠＼(^o^)／ 2014/06/07(土) 14:14:33.32 0.net
- >>170髪ショートにして眉毛薄くした宇多田で何度抜いたと思ってんの？
Don't you know how many times I fapped to a short-haired, thin eyebrowed Utada?
- 174:名無し募集中。。。＠＼(^o^)／ 2014/06/07(土) 14:17:13.08 0.net
- >>171Deep Riverあたりから綺麗になったとは思ってるよ
Colorsに入ってた壁紙にしてた時期もあった
I do think that she became more beautiful around Deep River. There was also a time when I used her "Colors" wallpaper.
http://ex-img.com/AC-12/Nov02631.JPG
これは抜けないけど
I can't fap to this but
こっちはご飯3杯いけるだろ
I can have 3 servings of rice with this one
Then go eat 3 cups of rice
Kuraki's the only person who would still sing her debut song at her live performances up to now
Even Hikaru Utada would still sing "First Love", right?
I listened to both of them
Original Thread: 倉木麻衣と宇田多ひかるでは 人気はどっちがあった？
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