Sunday, January 5, 2014

Will this year's Gunshi Kanbee be able to break the spell of struggling Taiga dramas?

1: れいおφ ★ 2014/01/02(木) 09:54:22.19 ID:???0
The NHK Taiga drama Gunshi Kanbee will begin on January 5 with V6 member Junichi Okada as the lead.

The main charater Kanbee Kuroda was a tactician under Hideyoshi Toyotomi. He is also a war general whom Hitoshi Matsumoto of Downtown has expressed admiration for on TV and radio.

Dramas which were set in the sengoku era, or the "warring states period", have historically done well. 1987's Dokuganryuu got an average rating of 39.7%, first all-time among Taiga dramas. Other dramas set in the sengoku era are 1988's Takeda Shingen (2nd all-time), 1965's Taikouki, 1983's Tokugawa Ieyasu and 1996's Hideyoshi -- all of which got over 30% for the yearly averages and is said to be the empirical way for Taiga dramas.

This was preceded by Yae no Sakura starring Haruka Ayase, which began broadcast in January 6, 2013. It got 21.4% for the first episode, but ratings gradually declined as the finale only got 16.6%. The average for the entire drama was 14.6%, 4th lowest of all time.

Taiga dramas of recent years have been struggling, the most notable is 2012's Taira no Kiyomori which featured Kenichi Matsuyama. This had the worst average of all-time for a Taiga drama with 12.0%. Looking at the Taiga dramas for the past years, 7 out of the 10 have had averages below 20%, excluding Yukie Nakama's Koumyou ga Tsuji (2006), Aoi Miyazaki's Atsuhime (2008), and Satoshi Tsumabuki's Tenchijin (2009). Even Masaharu Fukuyama's Ryōmaden only got 18.7%.
Top 10 NHK Taiga dramas
1. Dokuganryuu Masamune
2. Takeda Shingen
3. Kasuga no Tsubone
4. Akouroushi

5. Onna Taikouki
6. Tokugawa Ieyasu

7. Taikouki
8. Hideyoshi
9. Inochi
10. Hachidai Shogun Yoshimune

3: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2014/01/02(木) 09:56:34.86 ID:TCHfBCjj0
I lost interest since it felt that they were aiming too high by making Takenaka play Hideyoshi.

And I'm sure that Taiga fans are disgusted at how a Jani gets to play this tactician.
I hope they cast true actors like Uchino-san in Fuurinkazan.
196: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2014/01/02(木) 11:12:13.99 ID:clQh1OV/0
But Takenaka's Hideyoshi is in my top 5 of all time.

People really do have differing tastes, huh.
213: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2014/01/02(木) 11:22:19.45 ID:IKZJuxRjP
3's talking about Takenaka reprising his role as Hideyoshi in this year's Taiga.
There are no complaints with Takenaka's taiga drama Hideyoshi.
5: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2014/01/02(木) 09:57:19.61 ID:4zyIZXnx0
Doing a Sengoku-era drama's a good move, but they won't be able to recover from their recent setbacks with a Johnny talent as the lead. He's the complete opposite of the cunning and evil Kanbee.
8: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2014/01/02(木) 09:58:47.64 ID:vx+FY0790
Why don't they just show reruns of Sanada Taiheiki?
Good actors have died so we can't do anything about this anymore.
119: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2014/01/02(木) 10:40:43.16 ID:T5bUdnPw0
今考えると贅沢な人選だったな で、結構面白かった。
Looking back at this, it really had quite an extravagant cast.
And it was really good.
131: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2014/01/02(木) 10:45:43.11 ID:vx+FY0790


Taiga dramas these days:

Too many fantasy aspects in the script
Actors are mostly former idols
Direction and screenplay is on the level of school plays

Really, there's no more helping it...
9: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2014/01/02(木) 09:58:48.65 ID:ulZ1aKPm0
Women will always try to come forward so Gunbee's wife will probably have her time in the spotlight as well
11: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2014/01/02(木) 09:59:56.33 ID:0oELJVCt0
I honestly have no clue why people are all praises for Haruka Ayase.
18: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2014/01/02(木) 10:04:05.03 ID:vFQywHm0O
Because she's from Hori-Pro
14: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2014/01/02(木) 10:01:39.44 ID:BswzInQXi
I bet that the ratings would be insane if they did a Masamune Date drama with homo scenes
17: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2014/01/02(木) 10:02:41.55 ID:NKuEhnSGO
Kanbee Kuroda is a good theme for a drama but a Johnny talent?... No thanks.
19: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2014/01/02(木) 10:04:13.76 ID:TzIhqbZGP
It's always a mystery to me why there are a lot of women who play all these main roles in Taiga dramas.
I'd understand it if they were just in supporting roles but...
34: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2014/01/02(木) 10:09:34.45 ID:6R4Xl6Hw0
Because there aren't that many male actors whom we can consider as stars
21: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2014/01/02(木) 10:05:08.12 ID:iDK/H2jo0
They're in an environment where they can do main stories like Nobunaga, Hideyoshi, or Ieyasu, but it feels like they're trying to make it too unorthodox. It's important to add some twists and the occasional odd stuff when you keep on heading down the empirical path, but you'll just run astray if that occasional odd stuff becomes the main theme.
22: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2014/01/02(木) 10:05:36.50 ID:vpBiklBB0
女主人公いらないんじゃね 最近は男女平等で交互に男女主役だがそれが視聴率低下の一因だよ
I don't think we still need female leads. They've been alternating the male and female leads recently, but I think that's one of the reasons for the drop in ratings.
29: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2014/01/02(木) 10:07:37.07 ID:vFQywHm0O

It was still pretty decent during the time of Kasuga no Tsubone, though...

But now, these roles aren't decided according to the actor's abilities, but by their respective agency's authorities.
23: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2014/01/02(木) 10:05:45.44 ID:HLr2zAP40
The Taigas from Atsuhime onwards were all too shi++y and I lost that habit of watching Taiga dramas during this time slot
210: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2014/01/02(木) 11:21:47.00 ID:AzhvwUgsi
Atsuhime becoming a half-a$$ed hit like that wasn't good for Taigas in general
25: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2014/01/02(木) 10:06:10.01 ID:7Dxju/RJO
There's no way that a watered down version of Hiroshi Tamaki a.k.a. V6 Okada will be able to get the ratings w
27: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2014/01/02(木) 10:07:24.42 ID:dAqjhpmF0
But NHK won't mind the bad ratings since they'll still have consistent income
40: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2014/01/02(木) 10:12:13.46 ID:R8rU2wBz0
I think the staff are concerned with it for their own promotion
28: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2014/01/02(木) 10:07:26.89 ID:4zyIZXnx0
Hanbee would have probably been a better theme.
Then the lead will die around May.
33: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2014/01/02(木) 10:09:28.59 ID:EL6KUbYf0
There are a lot of criticisms, but I think Okada visually suits Kanbee well.
I haven't seen him act since Kisarazu though, so I can't really say anything.
36: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2014/01/02(木) 10:10:23.61 ID:f/E+3bHv0
They should begin by putting an end to having pacifist lead characters in these sengoku stories
45: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2014/01/02(木) 10:14:31.06 ID:duz9Lawq0

They really like that kind of setup. Something like this would have been impossible with their values back then. I'd get it though if they would think of obtaining victory without fighting.

And with some common sense, one should know that women have very limited roles in these sengoku era dramas. If they want to put a spotlight on their contributions behind the scenes, then you can't call that a sengoku drama anymore.
38: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2014/01/02(木) 10:11:26.55 ID:a1RhOU4V0
There are limitations in Japanese history especially when it was in a state of anarchy.
Why don't they make a drama about the Pacific War?
42: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2014/01/02(木) 10:13:20.62 ID:4zyIZXnx0
Does Taiga really need to be from Japanese history?
I think they'll be able to get over 30% if they did something about the Romance of the Three Kingdoms, even with Johnny's playing the lead.
41: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2014/01/02(木) 10:12:33.05 ID:lvJ3IR4x0
Of course, people will grow tired of rehashes about the Bakumatsu era and the Sengoku era.
44: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2014/01/02(木) 10:14:08.36 ID:TzIhqbZGP
What about going all the way back to Sakanoue no Tamuramaro or the war between Soga and Mononobe?
47: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2014/01/02(木) 10:15:02.11 ID:zt6mziOP0
ジャニタレか もう楽しみだったのに  ああ  みないわ
A Johnny's talent, huh... I was looking forward to this... Ahh... I won't watch it.
49: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2014/01/02(木) 10:15:30.77 ID:FNHyn3lw0
I always thought Junichi Okada was a genuine actor, but he's from V6, huh?
So there are cases like him where a former idol would make a huge transformation, huh.
And Takenaka playing Hideyoshi feels so nostalgic, so this drama feels good to me.
64: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2014/01/02(木) 10:19:15.03 ID:RccScIGw0
Not "former", he's still an idol w
132: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2014/01/02(木) 10:45:46.29 ID:HuDNywFc0
Okada was actually a special case since he came from a variety show back then called Genki ga deru terebi
54: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2014/01/02(木) 10:16:32.30 ID:RccScIGw0

Kanbee has an evil image, but they're going for a human drama where he's loyal and doesn't betray, and is filled with love towards his family and his vassal, huh...

Well, he never did betray them but he wasn't exactly on good terms with Nagamasa.
60: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2014/01/02(木) 10:17:37.64 ID:87/Kjf6j0
But there's no reason for Hideyoshi to be cautious of him, then w
73: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2014/01/02(木) 10:23:52.75 ID:RccScIGw0

But in history, he just gave some cruel advice when Nobunaga died, and that's how they became cautious of him.

This is also true with the Sekigahara story, but I think the trouble lies in trying to glorify Hideyoshi, as well as the methods of how his descendants are trying to prove a point that he also made contributions to the Tokugawa regime w
82: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2014/01/02(木) 10:26:15.05 ID:TYsbs4wq0
Isn't it just another sweet sengoku drama? w
12: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2014/01/02(木) 09:59:58.74 ID:ntPnVtj+0
I want to watch a proper Taiga "drama"

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