Saturday, November 2, 2013

What were the reasons why Ringo Sheena was hugely successful?



1： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 19:32:15.07 0 ID:

椎名林檎はなんであんなに売れたの？
Why was Ringo Sheena that popular?


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4： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 19:35:34.19 0 ID:
歌舞伎町の女王という曲で存在を知ったがピンとこなかった
ネットもなかったのに　不思議なこともあるもんだな
才能ある人はちゃんと売れるんだな
I got to know of her existence with the song "Kabukicho no Jyoou", but it didn't strike a chord in me.
To think that the Internet wasn't as widespread at that time, 
so that proves that people who have talent will actually sell well, huh? That was pretty miraculous.

5： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 19:37:37.16 0 ID:
やさぐれ感がよかったんじゃないの
背伸びしたいお年頃の女子供に受けた
Maybe her outlaw image bode well with the people, especially with the young girls who wanted to break away from the ordinary and try something new
7： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 19:38:22.84 0 ID:
整形したから
Because she had plastic surgery

http://blog-imgs-14.fc2.com/n/i/k/niku555jp2000/mijimansey_5.jpg
11： 募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 19:40:11.05 0 ID:
ちょっと尖ってる自分を演出したい奴らにウケたから
Because she was a hit with the people who wanted to show off their slightly unconventional selves
16： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 19:43:31.98 P ID:
本能でナースコスしてガラス割ってたから
Because she wore a nurse costume and broke glass in "Honnou"

17： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 19:44:22.66 0 ID:
中島みゆき枠だよな
She's in the Miyuki Nakajima position
19： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 19:44:40.76 0 ID:
歌はそんなに上手くないよね
But her singing isn't exactly that good
22： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 19:45:44.89 0 ID:
巻き舌が勝因
She's a winner because of the trill in her voice
23： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 19:45:53.46 0 ID:
あーいうタイプのソロアーティストもどきっていなかったしな
Because there was no other solo artist like her
http://img2.mtime.com/mg/2008/10/802fc4de-401d-467b-a70a-06abd0c287f9.jpg
26： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 19:47:13.85 T ID:
俺は当時バンドやってたんだけど
あの時代のバンドシーンに椎名林檎が与えた影響ってマジで計り知れないぞ
誰もが椎名林檎っていうとんでもない女がいるって話で持ちきりだった
I was in a band at that time and you can't imagine how much influence she had on the band scene in that era.
Everyone kept talking about this amazing woman called Ringo Sheena.
30： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 19:48:48.55 0 ID:
軽メンヘル御用達
そっから本格的に病んだファンはアンチ化した
オリコンにチャートインするポップシンガーをカルトヒーローと勘違いする絶望的な頭の悪さ
She was for the people who were slightly queer.
And the fans who seriously got crazy turned on her and became haters.
They were hopelessly dumb for treating this pop singer as a cult hero for breaking into the Oricon charts.
32： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 19:49:56.13 0 ID:
ヤイコは完全にデビュー時期を間違えた
Yaiko totally got the timing of her debut wrong
* (Hitomi Yaida)

http://www.mountalive.com/data/artist_img/l/20110827153258_1.jpg
41： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 19:52:35.38 0 ID:
>>32
歌はあっちのがうまいのにな
And to think that she's the better singer
33： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 19:50:06.75 0 ID:
まあ売れるよね
かっこいいから
Well, she was cool.
And that's why she became popular.
43： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 19:53:16.92 0 ID:
歌舞伎町の女王とか言ってたのって本当にごく初期だけじゃね
あれも浜崎あたりが渋谷のカリスマとか言われてたのに合わせて住み分けをしたというだけの印象
It was really only in the beginning where she was called the Queen of Kabukicho. I had the impression that she just wanted to differentiate herself from Hamasaki who was called "the Charisma of Shibuya", and the like.
44： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 19:53:21.25 0 ID:
ベタな言い方になるけどやっぱりカリスマ性だね
それは自己演出の上手さも含め
This may be a stereotypical answer, but it was her charisma, combined with how good she portrayed herself.
45： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 19:53:30.33 0 ID:
林檎が「27歳で死なないといけないんじゃないかとプレッシャーを感じた」ほどの熱狂的なヲタがいたからじゃね
Because she had crazy and passionate wotas who even said that "Ringo must feel some sort of pressure that she has to die by the time she's 27"
50： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 19:55:16.46 0 ID:
女のファンでキチガイみたいなのついてたなぁ
メンヘラっぽいやつ多かったわ
She really had some crazy female fans back then. There were a lot who seemed deranged.
51： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 19:55:18.28 0 ID:
なんだかんだで宇多田と林檎を超えるカリスマが出てこないのは凄い
この二人がもっとコラボして欲しかった
But it's still amazing that there hasn't been anyone yet who has surpassed the charisma of Utada and Ringo.
I wanted these 2 to collaborate more.
http://www5a.biglobe.ne.jp/~y-kinsan/BackNumber/1999.10.08.Chunichi.jpg
58： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 19:57:18.13 0 ID:
カリスマ性を築く上でやっちゃいけないことはほぼやらなかったからね
そこら辺のセンスというか上手さがあったんだよ

今の奴らはすぐ庶民のいるところまで降りてきてしまうからダメなんだ
She didn't break the rules that much as she was building up her charisma. She had the sense, or rather, the ability to do that.

 The artists these days are no good since they lower themselves to the level of the general public.
60： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 19:58:21.90 0 ID:
曲がいい
歌詞がいい
歌が上手い
声に力がある
エ口い
PVが面白い

これで売れないほうがおかしいだろ
Good songs.
Good lyrics.
Good singing.
Powerful voice.
Hot.
Interesting music videos.

 It would have been strange if she didn't sell well with this.
http://www.genkipolitan.com/ringo/img_photo/r_syouso332.jpg
75： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 20:01:11.27 0 ID:
CD屋いったらここでキスしてのPV流れてて誰だこの美人はと思ったけど
Mステ見て誰だこの不細工とガッカリした思い出
I remember wondering "Who's this pretty girl!?" when I saw the video for "Kokode Kiss shite" in a CD shop. And I remember getting disappointed as I said, "Who's this ugly girl!?", when I saw her on Music Station.

81： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 20:02:21.44 0 ID:
センスが良いから
Because she's got good sense
93： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 20:04:12.86 T ID:
あと椎名林檎はあの時代から映像系も使ったプロモーションもしてたんだよ
PVを売るのがメジャーじゃなかった時代にビデオでPV集だして

それも単なるPVの寄せ集めじゃなく自主映画みたいな部分も見せたりしてほんとサブカル層が食いつかずにはいられない部分を見事に突いてきてた
And Ringo Sheena already used video as a medium to promote herself at that time. She came out with a PV compilation when selling through videos wasn't major yet.
279： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 20:50:10.54 0 ID:
>>93
PV集なんか20年ぐらい前から普通に売ってたが
2000年頃だとViewsic（M-ON）のPVカウントダウン100が既に始まってたし
Err, PV compilations already existed 20 years ago. And around the year 2000, Viewsic (M-ON) already had their PV Countdown 100.
99： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 20:06:33.39 0 ID:
音楽のジャンルは置いといて今でいうとももクロとかがやろうとしてる奇抜なことを滑らずに出来たんだよ

刀で車斬ったりなｗ
Regardless of the difference in music genre, it felt like she was successfully able to pull off the eccentric and unconventional stuff back then just like what MomoClo are trying to achieve now.

 Like cutting a car with a katana blade.

102： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 20:06:37.52 0 ID:
東京事変で良い曲だなと思ったのはたいがい非林檎曲だから
あまり作曲の才能はないと思う
I actually thought that Tokyo Jihen's better songs were the ones that weren't by Ringo, so I actually don't think that she's got the talent to compose songs

109： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 20:08:10.52 0 ID:
ある程度のビジュアルがないと斬新さより滑稽さが目立つからな
Because she would have just looked absurd if she didn't have the visuals to back up what she was doing and make her look original
120： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 20:10:54.41 0 ID:
友達や先輩の洋楽ロックしか聴かないような人も引き付けられてたからな
She was able to attract my friends and senpais, and all those people who only listened to Western rock music.
122： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 20:11:13.45 0 ID:
椎名林檎パクッた矢井田瞳ってのもいたな
There was also singer called Hitomi Yaida who copied Ringo Sheena, and...

127： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 20:12:24.48 0 ID:
矢井田瞳がかわいそうだろ
パクリってわけでもなくね？
Poor Hitomi Yaida.
It's not as if she copied Ringo, right?
137： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 20:15:00.04 0 ID:
>>127
宇多田と倉木くらいパクリ
She was an imitation, just like what Kuraki is to Utada
139： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 20:15:28.92 0 ID:
>>127
そう思うけどB'coz I Love Youを聞いたときちょっと似てると思った(矢井田瞳は知らなかった)
That's what I thought--- until I heard "B'coz I Love You" which sounded similar to Ringo (and I didn't know that Hitomi Yaida sang that)

128： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 20:12:33.15 0 ID:
ワイドショーであの割ったガラスがおいくらまんえんなんですよ～
ええ～そんなにお高いの～？とかやってたな
I remembered when she was on a variety show and said that "that glass actually cost a few~ thousand yen".
"Ehh~~~ it was that expensive!?"
135： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 20:14:41.59 0 ID:
>>128
うっわ！やってたｗｗｗ
よく覚えてんなー
Uwaa! Yeah, they said that www
Wow, you still remember that---
140： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 20:15:31.95 0 ID:
インパクトのあるMVを作るのって大事なんだな
でも狙いすぎるとだいたいすべっちゃうんだけど
It's really important to create a music video that has impact.
But if you try too hard to make it look good, it would actually work the other way around for you.

156： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 20:19:07.16 0 ID:
女王様みたいな人がキンキン声で昭和歌謡なメロをノイジーなギターサウンドに乗せる感じが目新しかったんだと思う
I think this queen-like character who sang showa-era like folk songs with a screechy voice and noisy guitar sounds was pretty fresh
158： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 20:20:20.57 0 ID:
ともかく自分が商品であることに自覚的だった
自意識なんて無いですみたいな
She was well aware that she was "merchandise".
Like a doll who didn't seem like it had any self consciousness.
168： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 20:22:25.55 0 ID:
「椎名林檎が好きな私」ってキャラ売りが出来た程度には「カリスマ性」があった
She had the charisma to make people be proud and say "this is me who loves Ringo Sheena."
187： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 20:29:28.02 0 ID:
たぶん普通の人なんだけど
とんでもなくロックでビ●チな生活を送ってるんじゃないかと妄想させるに十分な魅力を持ってた
She's probably a normal person, but she had the appeal to make people imagine that she lived a rock & roll and bi+chy lifestyle
191： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 20:31:00.95 0 ID:
幸福論、歌舞伎町の女王まではまだその辺に居るちょっとセンスいい掃いて捨てるほどいる女性シンガーの1人って印象しかなかった

でもここでキスして。の曲の良さと声の良さ、そしてなによりおっぱいで一躍飛び出して、ナースガラス割りの本能で超ヒット

曲とPV、自己プロデュースの上手さで売れた天才

１ｓｔアルバム出すまでの加速度は本当にすごかった
She just felt like one of the countless female singers with some sense up until her songs "Koufukuron" and "Kabukicho no Jyoou". 

 But with "Kokode Kiss shite", she suddenly made a surge with her good song, voice, and her boobies. Then "Honnou" where she broke the glass while wearing a nurse costume became a mega hit.

 She was a genius who became popular through her songs, PVs, and her ability to produce herself.

 Her acceleration towards the bigtime was was stunning, up until she came out with her first album.

207： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 20:34:57.46 0 ID:
当時を振り返ると話題作りと物珍しさで売れてたんだって感じする
Looking back at that time, I feel like she became popular because she was gimmicky and she felt like a novelty
210： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 20:35:49.71 0 ID:
>>207
売れるっていうのはそういうことでしょ
世の中に売れてるものは中身を評価されて売れてると思ってる？
That's what it means to become popular.
Do you really think that the ones that sell the most in this world are truly recognized for what they really are inside?
218： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 20:37:27.68 0 ID:
やっぱバンドじゃなくてソロで出てきたのは大きい
実際にはメジャーレーベルが周到に作りこんでてそこらのバンドよりよっぽど手が入ってるんだけど当時はそういう風に受け取られなかった
It was huge for her that she came out as a solo artist instead of being in a band. The major label must have created her image carefully, and it must have cost a whole lot more effort than your average band, but that was not the impression that we got back then.
223： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 20:38:44.28 i ID:
http://ringoweb.net/imgboard/img-box/img20120927213245.jpg
235： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 20:40:47.20 0 ID:
>>223
可愛いけどクールビューティだった頃が好き
She's cute, but I liked her better when she was more of a cool beauty
250： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 20:42:54.89 0 ID:
去年だかブックオフで１stの曲が流れて中学生がめっちゃ興奮してた
１０年以上経ってもあんなファンを生み出すのは凄いと思いました（小並感）
I remember hearing a song from her 1st album at Book Off last year, and the middle schooler there got all excited. I feel that she 's amazing for creating such fans up to now that over 10 years have already passed.
256： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 20:44:15.05 0 ID:
同性ウケと異性ウケを両立したこと
じゃなきゃミリオン売れないし～
She was a hit to both men and women.
If she wasn't, then she wouldn't have had a million-seller.
263： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 20:46:16.08 0 ID:
渋谷系には乗りたくない女の子をガッチリつかんだのと男からも支持されるだけの音作りができたのは大きい

うまいことマーケティングからブランディングまでやったなという感じ
She was able to grab all the girls who didn't want to ride the Shibuya-kei wave, as well as make the men appreciate the sound that she created.

 Everything was done well--- from marketing to branding.
277： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/04/01(月) 20:49:51.38 P ID:
時代にうまくハマったね
She perfectly suited the times



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