"People may see this as a power struggle between Julie's camp vs. Iijima's camp, but the general consensus among the media is that Julie's camp is much stronger. Of course there's Arashi, and the groups who can handle main shows such as TOKIO and Kanjani8 have fully developed. Iijima-san has SMAP, but despite bartering Kis-My together with them for 2 years now, they haven't quite soared yet to meet their expectations. Her camp also has Tomohisa Yamashita and Jin Akanishi, but they're not "variety show-friendly" talents, which is the specialty of Iijima-san" - (TV station staff)
These 2 factions are also split among the programs where they make their appearances, and seeing the members from each camp together on one show has become a rarity -- to the point that it might not even happen within the same year for other members. So what has made things as complicated as it currently is?
(Continued after the jump)
They held their concert at the Kokuritsu, following SMAP's example. They even broke into the Kouhaku Uta Gassen (NHK) in 2009 which was dominated by SMAP and TOKIO until that point, and even made history by hosting the event as a group the following year. Arashi made surprising leaps and bounds up to the top, but who would've thought that their emergence has ironically broken the harmony within the agency.
Julie's camp may currently be the force to be reckoned with, but it seems that Iijima's side is showing new activity as well.
"Akanishi has now sided with the Iijima camp, but this was apparently a calculated move by Iijima herself. This is because of the various connections Akanishi has established within the industry as he befriended other talents outside the restraints of their respective agencies during his days of partying with his troop members. Burning Productions-affiliated talents such as Kyoko Koizumi have also taken a liking to him. Turns out that Iijima wanted this network that Akanishi possessed for herself. In other words, Iijima has turned to Burning Productions in her quest to overturn Julie's current advantage... and the key person she pinpointed was Akanishi. And that is why there are Burning talents in the dramas that have SMAP members as the lead." - (showbiz pro staff)
It may be hard to believe this, but the power struggle within Johnny's has turned into Julie vs. Iijima with Burning. It seems that the battleground has now inevitably spread out from the confines of the agency and is about to involve the entire entertainment industry with it. Will we ever see the day when all of these Johnny's talents come together in one event?
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「対立煽り」にすればファンは熱心に比較し、敵を知ることで知名度が上がり
燃え上がるはず・・・・と思ってます
... And so,
if they pit them against one another, the fans will passionately draw comparisons.
And by comparing, you will get to know more about the enemy, and things will get more heated up
...is probably what they're thinking.
Stupid
Who cares!
- 65 ：名無しさん＠恐縮です：2013/11/21(木) 06:51:17.67 ID:J1myPijG0
- >>8かわいい
That's cute
ＣＤ売上も嵐の半分以下だし
飯島は死ぬ気でキスマイ売ろうとしてくるだろうな
Because KimuTaku couldn't even get the ratings anymore...
Their CD sales are even less than half of Arashi's.
Iijima will probably become more desperate to push for Kis-My.
あれ止めたほうが良い
うざいだけ
Kis-My is always shoved into SMAP's dramas.
They should stop doing that.
It's just irritating.
いいからジャニ事務所ごと芸能界から消えろ
業界の癌め
I seriously don't give a damn about internal power struggles.
I just want Johnny's to disappear from the industry.
They're cancers of the entertainment industry.
メリー派
飯島派
ジャニー派
ヒロム派
SMAPがジャニー派だったり飯島派だったり、
NEWSがメリー派だったりジュリー派だったり、
週刊誌は書いてることがコロコロ変わるからちっともわからん。
いい加減に5大派閥の相関図をハッキリさせろ。
Team Julie
Team Mary
Team Iijima
Team Johnny
Team Hiromu
SMAP used to be in Team Johnny's, and now in Team Iijima.
NEWS used to be in Team Mary, then before you know it they're in Team Julie.
These tabloids are so inconsistent in writing things so I don't know the score here.
Hurry up and define the groupings of these 5 camps.
つぶれかけのラーメン屋がやけくそでメニュー乱発してるみたい
They're making too many small fry debut these days.
It's similar to a ramen joint that's about to go bankrupt; they seem to keep on releasing all these crappy menu entries one after another.
そしてバーニングが業界を統一する
I get the feeling that once Johnny and Mary kick the bucket, the crevice between these 2 will just get bigger and will eventually spell the fall of the Johnny's empire. And then Burning will reunite the entire industry.
So it's an article that confirms that Akanishi's still alive, huh
KinKi are taking the back alley
Are KinKi Kids being shoved aside?
Well, this story is pretty well-known
それ以外の能力は低いよな
紅白の司会は一人じゃできない
バラエティも芸人任せ
嵐単独は深夜のノリならいいけどゴールデン向きではない
強烈なヲタが買い支えているから今は大丈夫だけど
10年経って標品価値が下がってスマップのように売れなくなったら
能力の低い嵐はあっという間にTVから消えそう
Arashi may be top within Johnny's when it comes to CD and box office sales, but I think their abilities are pretty low.
Not a single individual can even host the Kouhaku alone.
They're also relying on the comedians for their variety shows.
Arashi alone were good on late night, but I don't think they're suited for prime time TV.
They might be doing well now with their die-hard wotas, but once they go on the decline in 10 years like how SMAP has, then Arashi who originally have no abilities might disappear from TV altogether.
外に対して男グループに圧力かけるとかだけじゃないんだな
色々大変なんやな
So things like this happen even within Johnny's?
I thought they just apply pressure to the other male groups.
It's pretty tough and complicated, huh.
ネーミングセンス糞すぎるだろｗｗ売れるもんも売れんわｗ
> Kis-My-Ft2, A.B.C-Z, Sexy Zone
The naming sense is just horrible ww You couldn't even sell something that's supposed to sell with this w
気持ち悪いくらいのゴリ押しだったじゃん。
昨年だったか各局に冠番組を持たせたけど、今も数字出せてるのってあるか？
そもそもアイドルなんだから、大人しくファンの前で歌って踊ってクルっと回ってろよ。
ドラマとかバラエティとかに出てくんな。
Arashi surprisingly sold well?
They were just pushed forward so much, it felt so gross.
Was it last year? They had main shows on each station, but are these still getting good ratings?
And they're idols so they should just sing, dance, and twirl only in front of their fans.
Stop showing up on varieties and in dramas.
- 70 ：名無しさん＠恐縮です：2013/11/21(木) 06:58:46.53 ID:qzRkD9l40
- >>52嵐って、ごり押しされてたか？
デビューして2，3年頃なんて深夜しかレギュラーなかったし、
かなーり地味で薄い印象だったが。
事務所の誤算は花男ヒットで松潤が注目され、主題歌の
シングルが売れ出し初めてから徐々に嵐も注目されてきて、
思いがけずに人気が出てしまったんだと思うが。
まぁ、その後に大野や相葉がいきなりドラマの主演に抜擢
されたりしたのは明らかがごり押しだとしても、嵐人気に
火がついてしまったのは、事務所が売ろうとして無理無理
ゴリ押しした結果ではなかったと思う。
嵐がイマイチだった頃は、カツンとかのプッシュの方が
凄かったし。
Were they overpushed?
The only regular show they had for 2, 3 years since their debut was a late night program.
They used to be so ordinary and plain.
The agency's miscalculation was people started to pay attention to MatsuJun thanks to HanaDan becoming a hit. And when the theme song started to sell well, people started taking notice of Arashi, and that was when their popularity started to rise. But it was obvious that Aiba and Ohno suddenly becoming leads in dramas was a case of gori-oshi, but I don't think the agency lit that flame and forced Arashi into stardom. And when Arashi weren't popular, their push for KAT-TUN was strong as hell too.
- 75 ：名無しさん＠恐縮です：2013/11/21(木) 07:09:17.80 ID:UfNMHaw/0
- >>70同意
嵐ブレイクのきっかけは花男だろうね
カツンは赤西が脱退せずデビュー時の人気を保ってたら
嵐より上いってただろ
Agreed.
Arashi's big break came during HanaDan.
If Akanishi didn't leave KAT-TUN, and if they maintained their popularity from their debut, then they probably would have even gone above Arashi.
よくある事じゃないの？
Even Shibugakitai and Shounentai didn't appear alongside one another that much.
Isn't this something normal?
続けてるのに、キスマイがなかなか育っていないのは痛い
あんなブサイク達しか選べない飯島の見る目のなさ
>Iijima-san of course has SMAP, and despite bartering Kis-My together with them for 2 years now, they haven't quite soared yet to meet their expectations.
But Iijima doesn't have good eyes if all she can choose are those ugly guys.
飯島派 SMAP キスマイ セクシーゾーン ABC-Z 山下 赤西
ジャニー派 キンキ タッキー&翼 生田 ジャニーズJr
こうかな
Team Julie: Arashi, TOKIO, V6, Kanjani, NEWS, KAT-TUN, Hey!Say!JUMP
Team Iijima: SMAP, Kis-My, Sexy Zone, ABC-Z, Yamashita, Akanishi
Team Johnny: KinKi, Tackey & Tsubasa, Ikuta, Johnny's Jr.
Something like this?
- 113 ：名無しさん＠恐縮です：2013/11/21(木) 07:53:11.72 ID:omKUJ6Xni
- >>58飯島の方はSMAP以外ろくなのがいないな
キスマイ推しとかSMAPバーターの無駄遣い
Iijima doesn't have any good ones huh.
Pushing for Kis-My? That's wasting the partnership with SMAP.
- 62 ：名無しさん＠恐縮です：2013/11/21(木) 06:43:38.76 ID:RkgrvbLL0
- >>58何でメリー派がいないの？
Why isn't there a Team Mary?
- 67 ：名無しさん＠恐縮です：2013/11/21(木) 06:54:07.07 ID:XqqoSoQ7P
- >>62アホか？
メリーさんの娘がジュリーや
Are you stupid? Mary's daughter is Julie.
SMAP and Arashi were fun on Utaban, but they're only seen together these days during the Kouhaku
Busumai will never sell no matter how hard they try
爺婆までみんなが知ってる
SMAP's on a different level.
Even grandpas and grandmas know them.
SMAP's stealth marketing was horrible so it seems that there are still a lot of people who haven't gotten over that brainwashing yet
ジャニーズ事務所の後継者はジャニの姪っ子でメリーの娘の藤島ジュリー景子
そのジュリーの溺愛する嵐が売れたんだから事務所てきに悪いことではない
スマップのマネージャーは一社員で幹部にはなれても社長になることなんてありえないし
誤算だとか後継者争いとか結局スマップのマネージャーを叩きたいだけのバカ記事
How come Arashi's rise to popularity is a miscalculation for the agency?
The heir of Johnny's is Mr. Johnny's niece, the daughter of Mary, Julie-Keiko Fujishima.
And Julie's beloved Arashi became popular, so there's no way this is a minus for the agency.
SMAP's manager is just an employee, and she may become an executive, but she will never be the president.
Miscalculations? Battle for succession? This stupid article just wants to criticize SMAP's manager.
Ｍステとかたまに一緒になっても櫻井には話振らない。
The way SMAP ignores Sakurai is so blatant, especially Nakai.
When they do come together on Music Station, he'll never talk to Sakurai.
There are so many long responses, this thread is grossing me out
Who's more amazing? Matchy or Higashiyama?
- 117 ：名無しさん＠恐縮です：2013/11/21(木) 07:59:03.41 ID:ifiFDKN9O
- >>107マッチ。
マッチと田原俊彦が売れてジャニーズの株が上がったでしょ。
田原も事務所に逆らわずにいたら今頃マッチみたいに重役待遇だったはず。
Matchy.
Johnny's stock came up when Matchy and Toshihiko Tahara became popular, right?
If only Tahara didn't go against the agency, he probably would have gotten the same VIP treatment as Matchy.
Aren't they stronger with Arashi because of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and Communications executive* that comes together with them?
* (Related post HERE)
あれで見る気をしなくなる。
TOKIOが一番好感度がさがらないんじゃないの？国分が最近怪しいが。
It feels that SMAP are now being regarded as incombustible garbage. Arashi's still fun, but that man-child Ninomiya's slanted personality? I lose the will to watch because of him.
I think TOKIO's the group whose likability doesn't drop, right? Kokubun seems fishy these days, though.
The moment chinpira Akanishi was designated as the keyman, it was all over ww
* (chinpira = thug)
嵐はいまだに嵐っていうアイドルグループを支持する層にしか
受け入れられてないイメージだな
実際嵐の曲とか売れてるみたいだけど全く知られてないし
There's this image that SMAP is even liked by the people who aren't really into idols, while Arashi is just popular with people who see them as idols.
I really don't know what the deal is, though. It does seem like Arashi's songs are selling well.
My image is that Johnny's is just making Arashi walk along the passage that SMAP opened up
嵐なんて事務所のホモオヤジとかババアどもが必死にゴリ押しして売れてるってことにされただけだろ（笑）
あんだけ良待遇でゴリ押しされまくれば平成ジュンプみたいな奴らでも人気者になれるわｗ
SMAP's national popularity was genuine, but Arashi's popularity was just forced by the agency's homo-old geezer and granny, right? (LOL)
They were treated excellently, it's no wonder they'd get popular with all that pushing for them. Even someone like Hey!Say!JUMP would get popular with a method like that. w
少年忍者で終わったんだよ
Johnny's ended with Shonen Ninja
- 173 名無しさん＠恐縮です[sage] 2013/11/21(木) 09:23:00.80 ID:xhws+mgf0
- >>171少年忍者と言うあたり通ですなw
東京男組とか知ってる？
You must really be a hardcore fan if you say something like Shonen Ninja w Do you know Tokyo Otokogumi?
I wonder how they're planning to pull the curtains down on SMAP's career
数年前まで松潤と二宮しか名前知らなかったのにいつの間にか全員フルネームで言えるようになってた
I never imagined that Arashi would become popular like this. The only names I knew a few years ago were MatsuJun and Ninomiya, but the moment I realized it, I know all their full names.
歌は口パク、ダンスが特別うまいわけでもないし、演奏するわけでもないし
トークはダメ、演技も普通、誰かにいじってもらわないと面白くないし
ファンがかっこいいと思ってるだけで顔やスタイルは贔屓目に見ても普通
Arashi only has this image of "major sellers".
They lip-sync, their dancing isn't exceptionally good, and they don't play instruments. They're bad at talking, their acting is just plain, and they're boring unless they're being made fun of by someone else. I think only their fans think they're cool. Even with bias, their looks are just ordinary.
全盛期のSMAPも良かった
I don't really like Arashi, but they do have a lot of good songs. SMAP was also good at the height of their career.
嵐も売れてない悲惨な時期があったからね
レコード会社契約解除とか
そこで腐らなかった点は評価してやってもいいけど、
その時期に歌のレッスンでもしとけばよかったのにね
どうせ来月のFNSでまた公開処刑や放送事故になるんだから
But all the other agencies push hard for their talents too. Arashi also had to endure a miserable spell wherein they weren't selling at all, like their contract termination from the record company. I can commend them for not giving up at that time, but it would have been better if they at least took some voice lessons during that lull. They'll just be humiliated again in public on FNS next month and it'll lead to another broadcasting accident.
And everyone has just totally forgotten about V6 who are still open for business, but are on a long sabbatical.
Please don't forget NEWS as well...
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