"The concept of 'hit songs' has collapsed. People have too many choices now, and there aren't a lot of things in common anymore." He points out that it's harder to make "hit songs" these days due to the diversity of music.
* (This was after a Twitter user told him, "Komuro-san seems to have taken a step ahead of the times, and you can't make a hit song if the listeners can't follow you. I get the feeling that Komuro-san can't make any more hits".)
He continues: "There will be people who will think that the Tokyo Sky Tree is the best, and there will also be people who consider the Tokyo Tower as the symbol of Tokyo." He also used Uniqlo, GAP, H&M, and FOREVER21 as examples and said "The quality of commodities have gone up, even music, everything is of pretty good quality", as he suggests that we are now in the times where we can easily get things that have pretty good quality.
A follower asked him, "Even still, don't you think that there's still 'something ubiquitous' that will not change?." Komuro replies, "I think I know what that 'something ubiquitous' is. It'll be a lot of manual labor so please give me some time. It's all a mix of music, words, and interval", as he shows his desire to create new songs.
Source: http://www.j-cast.com/tv/2013/10/11186079.html
ただクオリティーが高いからって売れるってもんでもない
The era you're in also has to be considered.
Just because you come out with something of high quality doesn't necessarily mean that it will become a hit in that age.
押し付けられていたことにも気づかなったというか
We had too few choices back in the day.
It seems that we didn't even notice that the music was forced onto us.
(Semi-related post HERE)
http://www.musicman-net.com/files/2012/10/f507e21e0cec70.jpg
- 172: 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/10/11 19:16:22 ID:KQqPKUke0
- >>7でも90年代のヒット曲は好き嫌いは別としても耳に残る曲は多い
別に歌ったことない曲ですら歌詞とメロディ分かるし
今大量宣伝されてるものは名前は知ってても曲からしてまじで全然記憶に残らない
But a lot of songs in the '90s were truly memorable, regardless of whether you liked them or not.
You'd know the lyrics and the melodies of the songs even if you've never sung them before.
These days, you may know the names due to all the promotions done but the songs never last in our minds.
Looks like TK has learned to speak his mind, huh
選択肢を選ぶ人が増えたね。
True, it seems that the amount of people who choose the option of
"not listening to music at all"
has increased these days.
- 116: 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/10/11 19:05:42 ID:J8lxWVZpI
- >>10過去の音楽だけで充分満たされるしな
最新のを聞く方がマニアっぽくなってる
Because people are already satisfied with the music they heard in the past.
People who listen to the newest ones are being looked at as maniacs or something.
純粋にレベルが高かったんじゃいの。
But seeing how those '90s singers are still singing the songs back in the day probably means that the songs back then truly were on a high level.
選択肢があろうが半沢はヒットした
It just sounds like an excuse to me.
People may have more choices, but Hanzawa still became a hit.
提供曲に何度もダメだしされるとこから
始めない限りいい局はもうつくれないと思うの
固まった頭とセンスをかち割れ（´・ω・｀）
I think this guy should first return to being a composer and have all his creations turned down numerous times, or else he won't be able to make any more good songs. He should break that hard head and sense of his first （´・ω・｀）
やりにくい時代なんだろうな
I guess times are getting difficult for this guy as it's getting harder to make earnings with his single-minded approach
This is the sort of statement that someone who has made songs by using the greatest common factor of all those hit songs back in the day would make.
ヲタに受けるかどうか
There's still a common factor.
That's if it will be a hit among the wotas or not.
時代の変化に対応てきないか
Well, this person did mass-produce all those dull songs that sounded alike.
He just wasn't able to cope with the changing of the times.
How many years has it been since Komuro-san last came out with a hit?
- 173:名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/10/11(金) 19:16:36.55 ID:2lRCwRAj0
- >>27安室のNEVER ENDが最後の50万枚超えだから13年
Amuro's NEVER END was the last one to sell over 500,000, so that would be 13 years
- 298:名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/10/11(金) 19:48:49.42 ID:nJc5IR3Q0
- >>27最後のミリオンは1997年、華原朋美のHate tell a lieだよ
His last million-seller was in 1997, Tomomi Kahara's "Hate tell a lie"
一部のオタクに熱狂的にウケたおかげで、演奏下手なのに人気No1キーボーディストになったり。
TKブームは小室が大衆の空気をつかんでヒットを仕掛けたんじゃなくて、
小室自身はずっと同じことやってたのに、勝手に時代がシンクロしてしまっただけ。
Komuro isn't someone widely accepted and supported by the masses; he's more like a frog trapped in a well, thinking that he's the ruler of all. It's just that a portion of otakus were so passionate about him. Because of that, he was even regarded as the most popular keyboardist despite sucking at playing.
The TK boom didn't happen because Komuro was able to grasp the air that was flowing with the public; it's just that Komuro's been doing the same thing for his entire life, and the times have just synchronized with him.
今は安価のPCソフトシンセ音源が氾濫して何でもアリの時代になってしまった。
Back then, all he had to do was get hold of the latest synthesizer and use the latest kind of sound to make songs. We're now in the age where these cheaper PC softwares can emulate all these synthesizer sounds, and that anything goes already.
単に制作スピードが重用されてただけで
本人だけが気付いていない
It didn't necessarily have to be Komuro back then.
It's just that the industry placed a heavier emphasis on how fast songs were composed.
He just hasn't noticed it.
ヒットするか否かを決める要因多すぎて
The concept of creating a hit song is more difficult to grasp than the concept of making a good song.
There are too many factors that will determine whether a song will become a hit or not.
浜田にもスルー
落ちぶれるってこういう事だな
He tried to cling onto Akimoto and was ignored.
He was also ignored by Hamada.
This is what it means to have fallen from grace.
But I think that his lake of talent hasn't dried up yet
ミリオンはだいたいカラオケ人気でしょ
JPOP人気はテレビの影響力と比例しているのでは
音楽ファンは昔からJPOPは聞かないし
I personally think that "TV" created the hit songs in the '90s.
The million-sellers were mostly the songs that were popular at karaokes, right?
If the popularity of JPOP is synonymous to the influence of TV, then true music fans wouldn't have been listening to JPOP ever since.
- 56: 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/10/11 18:55:22 ID:RaITeLZ80
- >>50殆どがタイアップだったから広告屋だな
Most songs were tied up with TV programs, so it was like an advertising medium
- 76: 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/10/11 18:58:53 ID:K6djb6x/0
- >>5090年代、ネットが普及する直前の時代って
多分最もメディアが影響力を持ってた時代なんだろうね
The '90s was right before the Internet expanded, and was probably the age when media had the most influence over the consumers
これが小室の音楽だと思うんだが。
ヒットとか普遍とかでなく消費されやすい商品。
> He also used Uniqlo, GAP, H&M, and FOREVER21 as examples
I think this is precisely what Komuro's music is.
It's not about hits or ubiquitousness, but it's more like products that can easily be consumed.
同じような作品ばかり乱発し、
自分から色々価値を生み出すことができなかったこいつの負け。
All he did was come out with all these similar sounding songs one after another when there still wasn't this much variety in music, and he wasn't able to create these new sounds himself, so it's his loss.
全盛期、一年に数千万枚という売上 数百億という金が動いたろう。
今じゃ、数万枚程度か？。
The passing of the times sure is scary.
He sold 10s of millions a year in his peak, and hundreds of millions of yen were probably flowing back then.
Now, all he can sell is maybe a few thousands.
女々しくてが最後になるとはｗ
Come to think of it, I don't think there's a hit song this year which everyone knows of.
Who would've thought that "Memeshikute" would be the last one.
それを普通だと思って作曲するものや
逆にチャンスだと感じるものには
到底勝てない
It's the end of the road for him if he thinks that way.
He will never stand a chance against the people who think that this kind of situation is normal, and against the people who think that this is actually their chance.
見る人減ったとはいえ未だに同じ番組何千万人も見てたりするのは気持ち悪い
Compared to the times now, the standards were measured before by the influence of TV.
Though the total number of viewers may have decreased, I'm disgusted at how 10s of millions of people are still watching the same program that they've been watching since back in the day.
There are no geniuses who will never run dry
ゴールデンボンバーの女々しくてはCDは売れてないけど誰でも知ってる
どっちがヒット曲なんだろうな
No matter how many CDs they sell, no one will still know of Arashi's and AKB's songs.
Not a lot of people bought Golden Bomber's "Memeshikute" but everyone knows it.
Which one can you consider a hit song?
Even still, Japan is the country that has the highest number of CD sales
Well, we're now in an age where you're just making the same people buy the same product over and over...www
だけど、ゴリ押しの回数が多すぎて前者を聞く機会が圧倒的に減った
The absolute number may have decreased, but I still think that there are good songs out there. There's just too many overhyped artists now, the chances of finding and being able to listen to the former has definitely decreased.
そこそこしか売れない名曲より、粗悪品のワンパターンでもヒット曲量産をあの時期に自ら選んだだけで。
この時期だからこそ、昔を思い出して本物の歌手に名曲を提供してほしいわ
Komuro-san has always had talent.
He just chose to make one-patterned, badly-made songs and mass produce hits at that time instead of making a classic song that will only sell a few copies.
And this is exactly the time when he should remember the past and make a true classic.
確かに音楽自体のクオリティが高ければ売れる訳じゃないし
売れるタイプの形式も90年代と違いなくなった。
何が売れるか出す方もわからんだろう。
These words will really make you ponder.
It's true that there's no guarantee that the music will sell well even if the musical quality is high, and there's no difference in the types that would have sold back in the '90s.
Even the people releasing the songs have no idea as to what would become hits.
I do think that the era where they were able to sell a lot due to brainwashing the consumers through tie-ups was pretty gross
- 167: 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/10/11 19:15:49 ID:PkROtkFUP
- >>156それが全てだと思う
人の趣味が多様化したというよりも
メディアの洗脳力が急降下した結果、大衆が聞く音楽がなくなっただけの話だと思う
I think that's what it boils down to.
It's not a matter of people having more diversified tastes, but it's because the media's ability to influence and brainwash the people have gone down, which results to the general public not even listening to music anymore.
だから、本当にいい曲や歌手が売れたりした。
いまは視聴者が確かに選択肢は広がったが、分散するので売れてるのはアイドルだけw
In a sense, it means that the media used to "select" the songs back in the day.
And that's why the truly good songs and singers sold well.
It's true that the consumers have more choices now, but since everyone's going all these different directions, the only ones selling well are the idols w
小室を揶揄してた電気卓球でもいまだにツアーやってるし
どうして小室だけがこうなったよ
Asakura and YSTK Nakata are still doing their music earnestly.
Even Denki Groove who used to ridicule Komuro are still touring now.
Why is it that Komuro's the only one who turned out like this?
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