What's the reason behind the decline of K-Pop's popularity in Japan?

1： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/11(火) 21:40:11.08 0 ID:

何かあったの？
What happened?

http://homepage2.nifty.com/valkrie-zero/icon/kpop.jpg

4： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/11(火) 21:41:57.58 0 ID:

なんか歴史から抹殺される勢いだな
It kinda feels like their existence will be terminated from history at this rate

5： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/11(火) 21:44:33.01 0 ID:

安室奈美恵の韓国公演のときに衝撃を受けて慌てパクって出来上がったのが今のK-popの始まりだけど
日本に上陸したときには少し流行りとズレてたんだろうな
PerfumeとかAKBとかももクロとかが売れるんだもん
I believe that K-Pop's roots can be traced back to when Namie Amuro left such a huge impression when she performed in Korea, and everyone just tried to copy her. But when they started coming to Japan, their style was a bit different already from what was the trend here where the likes of Perfume, AKB, and MomoClo are the ones that are popular.

7： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/11(火) 21:47:19.86 0 ID:

KARAと少女時代以外知らんもん
I don't know anyone other than KARA and Girls Generation

8： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/11(火) 21:47:54.49 0 ID:

女系ユニットはＡＫＢが叩き潰して
ももクロがトドメを刺して
Ｅ-ｇｉｒｌｓがファン層を掻っ攫っていった
Their girl groups were battered by AKB, finished off by MomoClo, and then E-girls just took all of their fans away.

http://tokai-tv.com/dance2013/common/img/e_img.jpg

9： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/11(火) 21:51:09.36 0 ID:

まさにそんな感じだよな
That's exactly how it felt

10： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/11(火) 21:51:25.19 0 ID:

世界中にお金を払って流して貰ってただけだから
金の切れ目が縁の切れ目
They just used money and paid the whole world to give them exposure.
No money, no honey.

12： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/11(火) 21:52:56.02 0 ID:

日本のレコード会社に所属して
日本人がプロデュースして日本人か曲作って日本人が振り付けしてるのにK-POP
They're under Japanese record labels, produced by Japanese producers, their songs made by Japanese composers, and dances choreographed by the Japanese too, but they're called K-Pop.

13： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/11(火) 21:53:50.99 0 ID:

まぁ日本では駆逐されつつあるけどアジア全体だと日本が駆逐されつつあるとか
Well, it seems like they are about to be expelled from Japan but it also looks like Japan will be expelled from the whole of Asia.

26： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/11(火) 21:59:02.24 0 ID:

>>13
アジアってそんなJ−POP売れてたっけ？
Was J-Pop even that popular in Asia to begin with?

14： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/11(火) 21:54:07.80 0 ID:

KARAと少女時代は吉本芸人たちが一斉に大好きアピールし出して酷かったなｗ
業務命令でお仕事だったとはいえ節操がなさすぎる
The way all the Yoshimoto talents praised KARA and Girls Generation at one point was horrible.
It was probably a business order and that was their job, but they all just lacked ethics.

http://blog-imgs-53.fc2.com/t/o/r/toriton/kpop10mai621139_20121216013027.jpg

15： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/11(火) 21:54:15.52 0 ID:

歌もダンスもMAXとかの方が凄かったし
Even MAX was better when it came to singing and dancing

http://freegear.jp/images/info/max_special-live_bemax.jpg

20： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/11(火) 21:57:16.12 0 ID:

オリジナリティのないパクリものだから底が浅いものしか作れない
They're all copycats with zero originality so they were probably at their limit

23： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/11(火) 21:58:00.52 0 ID:

プッシュしすぎてフジテレビが煽り食らった
Fuji TV hyped them too much and, as a result, are also taking the damage.

http://stat.ameba.jp/user_images/20110815/06/tamagawariver/68/b7/j/o0720040511417837090.jpg

24： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/11(火) 21:58:43.50 0 ID:

今や新大久保の路上で垂れ流されてる程度じゃねｗ
Nowadays, I think their songs are just being played in Shin Okubo's railroad station LOL

25： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/11(火) 21:58:47.04 0 ID:

ドラマにしても音楽にしても周回遅れなのにトップ走ってるつもりでいるのが滑稽
I think it's foolish of them to think that they're still at the top despite their dramas and their music lagging behind the times

28： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/11(火) 22:00:12.51 0 ID:

同じような顔で同じようなダンス
そりゃ飽きも来るわ
Similar faces, similar dancing.
Of course people will get tired of them.

29： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/11(火) 22:00:26.92 0 ID:

男のグループはそこそこ売れてる気がするが
女グループはもうほぼ無理じゃないか
まだたまにTVで見かけることはあるけどもはや何とも思わん
ラジオだとまだ推してる局もあるようだがね
I think that the male groups are still popular.
It might be impossible for the girl groups though.
I still see them on TV but I don't feel anything anymore towards them.
It seems that there are still some radio stations though that are still pushing for them.

30： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/11(火) 22:00:28.25 0 ID:

テレビしか見ないのかよドーム満員にしてるのに
Do you guys only watch TV? They're filling up domes, you know.

http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/hikaru2013/imgs/6/7/67443481.jpg

35： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/11(火) 22:01:26.87 0 ID:

>>30
フォトショで客水増ししてたのバレたやん
Weren't they busted for photoshopping the audience?

37： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/11(火) 22:02:19.88 0 ID:

>>30
雑すぎる合成写真のいいわけ謝罪見なかったのかよｗ
Didn't you read the excuse, err, the apology that they gave for that bad photoshop?

32： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/11(火) 22:00:35.95 0 ID:

アイコニックなんかも一瞬で消えたな
Even ICONIQ disappeared in the blink of an eye

http://www.kntv.co.jp/news/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/0305ayumi.jpg

34： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/11(火) 22:00:49.52 0 ID:

派手な宣伝しなくなっただけで地味に根付いちゃってるんじゃないの
I think they've already planted their roots and are still here, it's just that they haven't been going all out in promoting anymore.

40： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/11(火) 22:02:35.19 O ID:

切り札がキモい豚のおっさんだったからなｗ
Because their ace is this disgusting old pig LOL

http://file.mijinco.blog.shinobi.jp/doubutsu-no-sai-jyanakute-psy-1.jpg

45： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/11(火) 22:04:22.50 0 ID:

メンバーに誰一人個性無いもんな
安室奈美恵みたいのが一人でも居ればブーム続いたかもしれん
The group members just don't seem to have any individualism.
The K-pop boom might have been able to continue if they had at least one  artistwho was like Namie Amuro.

http://cdn.natalie.mu/media/1209/extra/news_thumb_namieamuro_2012_0904.jpg

47： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/11(火) 22:04:59.32 0 ID:

大統領変わって資金が底をついたんだろ？
They probably lost fundings now that they have a different president

48： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/11(火) 22:05:30.46 0 ID:

ちょっと前まで芸人がこぞって韓国韓国言ってたのにピタっとやんで
今じゃモモクロモモクロ言ってる
Up until a while back, all these Japanese talents kept saying "Korea this, Korea that", then it all just came to a halt.
Now, they're all saying "MomoClo this, MomoClo that".

58： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/11(火) 22:08:24.18 0 ID:

>>48
AKBはともかくスターダストにそんな力あるのか疑問だがいろいろと裏はあるかもしれんね
I'd understand AKB, but I don't think Stardust has that kind of authority. There must be something going on back there.

62： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/11(火) 22:09:30.54 0 ID:

韓国でもK-POPはもう下火らしい
 I heard that K-Pop is declining even in Korea

64： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/11(火) 22:10:23.40 0 ID:

嫌なら聴くな
If you don't like them, don't listen to them

69： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/11(火) 22:13:21.63 0 ID:

K-POPが日本から出ていって
アジアの他国で引き受けてくれるなら結構なことじゃないか
そしてまた2年ぐらいでそれらからも追い出されるんだろ
そしたら今度はアフリカにでもいくのかな
I don't see anything wrong with K-Pop leaving Japan while other Asian countries are still welcoming them. They'll probably go away from those countries too in 2 years' time. Then maybe they'll go to Africa next.

74： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/11(火) 22:17:32.51 O ID:

２年前韓国と聞けばキャーキャー言ってた層でさえ今は「韓国はちょっと…」みたいになってる
ほんとこいつら集めて「な？」って言いたい
Even the people who used to scream and go wild 2 years ago whenever they'd hear the word 'Korea' are saying "Oh Korean? No thanks..." nowadays. I seriously want to gather them up and tell them "See?"

76： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/11(火) 22:17:42.65 0 ID:

世界の売上の８割が日本だったのに
日本がこんなに下火になったら生き残って行けないんじゃないの？
80% of their global sales are from Japan? So will they even survive if they're not appreciated in Japan anymore?

79： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/11(火) 22:18:34.55 0 ID:

ジャニは男グループの日本侵略を阻止できなかったんだよな
だから根付いてる
Johnny's wasn't able to prevent the male groups from invading Japan. That's why they're still here.

82： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/11(火) 22:21:38.03 0 ID:

>>79
だってK-popの版権持ってるのはバーニングパブリッシャーズだから無理だよ
ジャニーズより強い
Burning Publishers owns the rights to K-Pop so that was an impossible task for them. They're more powerful than Johnny's.

80： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/11(火) 22:19:29.90 0 ID:

整形した顔のパターンも3種類くらいしかない
They only have about 3 different facial patterns

http://blog.numberssummit.com/wp-content/uploads/120912syojyoj7.jpg

84： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/11(火) 22:22:38.65 0 ID:

一昨年あたり色んなグループが日本デビューしたけど
全然残って無いんじゃないか？
A lot of different groups debuted in Japan 2 years ago. It looks like there's none left, huh?

87： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/11(火) 22:23:59.23 0 ID:

>>84
T-ARAぐらいまでだな自分が覚えてるのは
でも結局は少女時代とKARAしか印象にない
I only remember up to T-ARA. But it's only Girl's Generation and KARA who have left an impression.

90： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/11(火) 22:25:01.12 0 ID:

韓国にバンドとか男女混合ユニットとかないのかね
ダンスしか見ないんだけど
Doesn't Korea have any bands or mixed male and female groups?
I only see dancers coming out of them.

96： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/11(火) 22:27:13.61 0 ID:

>>90
一応韓国バンドみたいなのを売り出すつもりだったようだけど日本のバンドですら売れてないのに無理だったみたい
I think they were also planning to market a Korean band, but it would have been impossible since even the Japanese bands aren't that popular. 

92： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/11(火) 22:25:43.81 0 ID:

グループの特色が無いからな
曲も似たようなモンだったし
These groups don't have any distinct characteristics. All their songs are also pretty similar.

93： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/11(火) 22:26:08.23 0 ID:

BOAの現役時代は自分もちょっと好きだったな
向こうで思い切り反日やってたみたいだからもう無理だけど
I kinda liked BOA during her time here though.
I heard that she did some anti-Japan stuff when she went back there so it's impossible for me to like her now.

http://pds.exblog.jp/pds/1/201010/18/95/b0164695_2157968.jpg

106： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/11(火) 22:30:43.07 0 ID:

ほんとにチョンポップと入れ替わるように芸能人たちがももクロももクロ言い出したよな
True, all these celebrities just started chanting MomoClo these days, replacing how they used to talk about K-Pop.

111： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/11(火) 22:32:27.56 0 ID:

日本来る前は好きだったな
キロッツから着目してたけど
少女時代のファーストアルバムは神がかってた
ＫＡＲＡはプリティガールが一番
I actually liked them before they came to Japan.
I started from Kilots, though.
Girls Generation's first album was amazing.
For KARA, "Pretty Girl" is the best.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51WkxgVxWYL.jpg

119： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/11(火) 22:35:58.71 0 ID:

TVで少女時代って一回言ったら5,000円だっけか
Is it true that the talents earned JPY 5,000 for each time they mentioned the name of Girls Generation on TV?

126： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/11(火) 22:41:17.99 0 ID:

朝の情報番組から一気に消えて行ったよな
They disappeared all at once from the morning TV shows

129： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/11(火) 22:43:14.92 0 ID:

ほぼBIG BANG一強になった
あれの女ヲタ共は侮れんよ
Now, it's almost as if BIG BANG is the only strong one left.
You can't take the fangirls of that group lightly.

http://nodejin-news.up.seesaa.net/image/BIGBANG.jpg

137： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/11(火) 22:51:22.31 0 ID:

WOWOWで今度少女時代のコンサ放送するって結構プッシュしてるから
まだそこそこ人気あんじゃないの？
But WOWOW is going to broadcast Girls Generation's concert and has been promoting them, so they're still popular to some extent.

147： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/11(火) 23:03:41.54 0 ID:

K-POPアイドルは下積みが長いせいか14～16の若い子がおらん
そこがイマイチハマれない理由
I think one of the reasons why the K-Pop idols aren't popular is because of the long training period. That's why they don't have young 14~16 year olds, which I think is the reason why they haven't clicked here.

150： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/11(火) 23:08:59.88 0 ID:

女ユニットの曲の方が知ってるけど男ユニットの方がなぜか好調なんだな
I know more of the songs from the female units, but for some reason, the male units are the ones doing well.

152： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/11(火) 23:10:20.21 0 ID:

>>150
ほんとそこ不思議だね
男性アイドルの曲って一曲たりとも口ずさめない
That's really a mystery. I honestly can't sing a single male unit song.

158： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/11(火) 23:11:44.16 0 ID:

>>150
アイドル男性歌手グループがジャニとK-popだけだからでしょ
Because the only male units that we have are Johnny's and these K-POP groups

160： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/11(火) 23:12:19.64 0 ID:

女オタは一度つくと離れにくいとか何とか
I heard that fangirls don't leave that easily once they cling on 

162： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/11(火) 23:13:08.57 0 ID:

韓国人は日本が嫌いなら日本に物を売りに来るなといいたい

のは俺だけか
Am I the only one who thinks that they shouldn't come to Japan and sell their products if they hate Japan that much?

173： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/11(火) 23:16:46.73 0 ID:

>>162
あいつらの思想
「韓国の芸能界は洗練された超一流
　対して日本の芸能界は未熟で未成熟
　だから我々が本物を教えにきてやってるんだ」
Seriously, this is how they think:
"Korea's showbiz industry are refined, first-rate talents. In contrast, Japan's showbiz industry is full of inexperienced and unskilled talents. That is why we are here to teach you how things are supposed to be done."

172： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/11(火) 23:16:39.16 0 ID:

KARAやT-ARAはちょっと可愛い系も入ってたけど基本クール系だよなあ
日本はロリのが受けるだろうに
KARA and T-ARA have a few cute ones, but they're basically the "cool" type.
Japan likes the lolita-looking ones, though.

http://blog-imgs-51-origin.fc2.com/m/o/n/mon/2012-06-15-t-ara.jpg

177： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/11(火) 23:18:20.52 0 ID:

東南アジアなんかではJ-POPよりK-POPの方が人気はあるにはあるよ
K-POPの歌手やグループは向こうに行ってライブ開いたり
テレビ出演等プロモーション活動を頻繁にしてるから身近に感じてるみたい
一方の日本のグループはまず来ないから遠くのモノって感じになってるみたいね
頻繁に来てくれるとことまず来ないとこじゃそういう差が出ても仕方が無いかと
But K-Pop is far more popular in Southeast Asia compared to J-Pop. The K-Pop singers and groups all go there, perform concerts, appear on TV, and promote their stuff a lot so the local citizens there think that these people can easily be reached. There's no helping it if you compare one that comes a lot from the other that doesn't come at all.

182： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/11(火) 23:24:31.34 0 ID:

歌やドラマに国境は関係ないよ
良い物は良いし悪いものは悪い
アケカス曲より向こうの方がいい曲を歌ってることもある
Country boundaries are irrelevant when it comes to songs and dramas. The good ones are still good, while the bad ones are still bad. There are times when their talents sing better songs than AKB.

183： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/11(火) 23:25:05.45 0 ID:

PSYの日本での総スカンぷりは露骨過ぎるｗ
結局イケメンってとこだけに食いついてんだろう
LOLing at how PSY is being blatantly ignored in Japan.
People here are only after the ones who have good looks.

http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/files/psy151984364.jpg

198： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/11(火) 23:40:05.84 0 ID:

日本に来るKPOPの歌手たちがある程度日本語話せるくらいまでなってるのは凄いとは思うよ
いくら金の為商売の為ってのがあってもさ
I do find it amazing as to how some of these K-POP singers even learn to speak Japanese to a certain extent.
Even if they're just doing it for business to earn money.

210： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/12(水) 00:06:23.37 0 ID:

綺麗なダンス見ても一所懸命練習したんだねっていうのは分かるんだけど
それ以上のものは感じないな
Whenever I see their nice dancing, I do understand that they must have practiced hard to be able to do that.
But I don't feel anything more than that.

219： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/12(水) 00:35:09.75 0 ID:

まあ少女時代とKARAは出てきた時インパクトあったけど
その後出てくるのが似たり寄ったりすぎる
Well, Girls Generation and KARA did have some impact when they first appeared, but then everything that came afterwards was just too similar.

223： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/12(水) 00:54:06.66 T ID:

日本は踏み台って言ってアメリカ行って大コケした少女時代はそろそろ解散するよ
KARAは日本でしか活動できないからもう少し粘るかもね
I think Girls Generation who made Japan a stepping stone but flopped in the US will disband soon.
KARA on the other hand are only plying their trade in Japan so they might stick around a bit longer.

227： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/12(水) 01:01:36.94 0 ID:

少女時代の1stアルバムは良盤だった
speedのstarting overを現代風にリメイクした感じで
Girls Generation's 1st album was pretty good.
It was like a modern remake of speed's "Starting Over".

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51V3PMA3KeL.jpg

243： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/12(水) 01:59:30.88 0 ID:

最近のBoA　生歌
Boa's recent live singing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9MTewJmizA

252： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/12(水) 02:06:37.43 0 ID:

>>243
ソロでこれは凄い
This is amazing for a solo artist

254： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/12(水) 02:08:43.22 0 ID:

>>243
良いとは思うがもう支持はできん
俺にとってのBoAは昔のBoAだけ
I think it's good but I really can't support her anymore.
The old BoA is the only BoA I know.

244： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/12(水) 01:59:36.08 0 ID:

日本で活動してもいいけど「震災ライブがキッカケで売れたからもう一度震災来て欲しい」とか言ってるの知ると嫌いになるわ
I don't care if they remain active in Japan, but I got disgusted when I heard some say, "We became popular when we did that disaster benefit concert, so I hope there will be another disaster".

247： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/12(水) 02:03:24.41 0 ID:

ボアは歌えて踊れるから好き
バラードとかめちゃくちゃ上手い
I like BoA because she can sing and dance.
She's also a very good ballad singer.

250： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/12(水) 02:03:50.30 0 ID:

まぁ要らないけどね
No thanks

260： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/12(水) 02:11:39.89 0 ID:

正直増長しすぎで嫌われたわ
韓国は日本より優れてるみたいな事言いまくってたからな
I think people started hating them because they just grew too much in number. They also kept proclaiming how Korea is superior to Japan.

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