Thursday, August 22, 2013

Takanori Nishikawa criticizes Reina Tanaka's LoVendoЯ and Hello! Pro, offers advice

1: 禿の月φ ★ 2013/08/21(水) 13:08:23.17 ID:???P
T.M.Revolution's Takanori Nishikawa gave harsh words of advice to Reina Tanaka, formerly of Morning Musume, now with LoVendoЯ, when she guested on his show Nishikawa Takanori no Ienomi!! on NicoNico Live Broadcast.

LoVendoЯ is a "twin vocalist-twin guitarist" band consisting of members Reina Tanaka and Marina Okada on vocals, and Yuki Uozumi and Marin Miyazawa on guitars.

Tanaka was part of the unit since its formation in June of 2012 and balanced it with Morning Musume. She officially concentrated on the band after graduating from Morning Musume last May 21. (Related post HERE)

When asked about the reason for the formation of the band, Tanaka answered: "Because Tsunku-san said so".
When Tanaka told Tsunku that she wanted to graduate but still keep on singing, Tsunku offered her the position in the band.

While they were showing a live performance VTR of the band singing Takuro Yoshida's "Kyou made soshite ashita kara", Nishikawa asked:
"Uhmmm... who's the one who decides what kind of music you play?"

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2: 禿の月φ ★ 2013/08/21(水) 13:08:44.52 ID:???P
When Tanaka said: "The higher-ups of the company", Nishikawa replied: "Aw c'mon, let's do things properly. I don't think this is the type of music people want to hear from LoVendoЯ"

Nishikawa also gave comments to Uozumi who declared that she's a fan of Extreme's guitarist Nuno Bettencourt: "I'm sure you want to play more seriously, like powerful riffs, right?" to which Uozumi replied: "Well... Yes". But Tanaka immediately rebutted: "But things are still good the way they are now, right? We can't go against the decisions made by the agency".

Nishikawa then said to Tanaka:
"No, I don't think so! Why? What's the matter with you?"
Nishikawa said that he thought of her as a person who had strong determination, as she was able to quit Morning Musume so she can focus on the band.

Nishikawa could not understand why Tanaka needs to keep following what her agency says.
He followed up with: "People over 50 are the only ones who would think of turning folk music into rock music. I just thought to myself that no one will dig that sort of thing and was really wondering why your agency is trying to make you do that".

Tanaka answered that she's not just following what her agency tells her to do. "I did that for 10 years and failed, and that's why I'm here now after learning from all my mistakes".

Nishikawa still can't accept this and insisted that they stray away from the path the agency wants them to take: "You should officially look for a bassist and a drummer, and form a real band. I think you guys should honestly consider doing what you think is cool..."

Similar conversations continued throughout the program, and after all the arguments, Tanaka declared with a smile: "Alright! Nishikawa-san will be producing LoVendoЯ!", to which Nishikawa suddenly said: "No, don't go making declarations like that! We still can't get past the boundaries set up by your agency! But yes, if your agency will tell you to go explore possible collaborations with outsiders then..."
10: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/08/21(水) 13:13:15.62 ID:dd/tHD+a0
The current Morning Musume wwwwww
17: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/08/21(水) 13:17:52.16 ID:p5tVI3eg0
The 2nd picture, the one on the rightmost is like looking at something horrific
337: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/08/21(水) 15:55:55.94 ID:KG45798c0
Sorry but it's impossible for me
14: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/08/21(水) 13:16:44.24 ID:yq3ilj8J0
Nishikawa-kun's such a nice person.
Even if people know what's wrong, they won't be so blunt as this in normal circumstances.
23: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/08/21(水) 13:20:00.76 ID:H15jIcI5P
But Morning Musume's always been forbidden to make their own music, right?
Or maybe they're just empty upstairs.
31: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/08/21(水) 13:21:51.50 ID:EVgduNGs0
Is that so? Didn't Nucchi make her own lyrics, or should I say plagiarized?
Are they forbidden from composing?
26: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/08/21(水) 13:21:16.81 ID:KI4PTagv0
Maybe the biggest problem here is that Tsunku's already grown tired of them LOL
27: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/08/21(水) 13:21:20.08 ID:y+CpzSDr0
Nishikawa should provide them with a song that each member would like
33: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/08/21(水) 13:22:18.59 ID:ICI5fjrE0


This is a sound argument by him.
Movie critic Tomohiro Machiyama said that he did recall this band appearing at a concert overseas while talking about Kyary Pamyu Pamyu's successful performance which was attended by thousands of fans. He said that the Americans didn't know what was going on with this band who was singing a Takuro Yoshida song and wasn't received well. I guess that's a given, but their agency is horrible for making them go to a match that they know they'd lose.
84: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/08/21(水) 13:41:36.86 ID:4DuDOx3R0
Ah, this one
38: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/08/21(水) 13:23:41.25 ID:gnwQzvvX0
It's boring.
I really don't know why they're playing this kind of song in this day and age.
51: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/08/21(水) 13:27:16.72 ID:p3gJoM8Z0
Is there a need for Nishikawa to support Tanaka this much?
63: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/08/21(水) 13:30:40.02 ID:asmXxsXL0
It might become a rumor later on.
But I heard that Tanaka's type is someone like Hiroshi Tachi.
She probably likes reptile-looking guys.
61: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/08/21(水) 13:30:05.68 ID:sBmzoQIT0
So I tried listening to the song as I was curious how it sounded but it really is horrible.
They didn't even have to perform something like this as a band.
67: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/08/21(水) 13:33:12.90 ID:kyEFLONj0
Nishikawa-kun's so passionate
71: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/08/21(水) 13:33:44.57 ID:hox8aAuN0




75: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/08/21(水) 13:38:14.52 ID:wGyREc6l0
Being rebellious while she was an idol then suddenly starts following orders now that she's shifted to rock... everything about that just sounds so wrong.
80: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/08/21(水) 13:40:31.95 ID:oGWcyorY0
He speaks nothing but the truth, no room for rebuttals.
82: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/08/21(水) 13:40:57.86 ID:Y9I1Cldh0
But does Nishikawa even have the talent to produce other artists?
87: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/08/21(水) 13:42:13.69 ID:oGWcyorY0
Tsunku: "Urggghhhh..."
92: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/08/21(水) 13:44:36.28 ID:g4OpUoJd0
The moment they're given a band name you can't read normally, then you should already know that their music will be shi+e.
94: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/08/21(水) 13:45:48.08 ID:WMitxdLX0
They'll be gone before you know it, so just let them do what they want.
97: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/08/21(水) 13:48:28.16 ID:j6VOWEeY0
I heard that TMR is self-produced nowadays, but what exactly can he do?
The lyrics are still done by Akio Inoue while the music is composed by Daisuke Asakura, right?
99: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/08/21(水) 13:49:49.68 ID:cM6Fyco50

TMR can now give his opinions on the lyrics and the music.
He almost wasn't able to say anything before doing self-production.
108: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/08/21(水) 13:53:17.48 ID:2JuzTc6u0

Say something like this directly to Tsunku.
This'll just be a dilemma for these girls.
116: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/08/21(水) 13:56:22.24 ID:wqB8x5dk0
He's just saying, "You girls are being asked to do something so lame", but he's not trying to help them improve or anything.
128: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/08/21(水) 14:00:52.03 ID:/Nplqizk0
But this guy also leeched onto Miguel and sang Choushuuriki, but people who saw that would also think, "That isn't what your supposed to be doing".
135: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/08/21(水) 14:03:26.25 ID:Fqgt11be0
It would have been better if they just kept it simple and formed a 4-piece girl punk band with proper songs and attire.
This might be what the higher-ups want, but no one will benefit from a crazy combination like this.
141: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/08/21(水) 14:05:02.48 ID:XkFaP2R/0
I really don't get what Morning Musume and LoVendoЯ are trying to achieve. 
What do they want to do to Japanese music? What kind of music do they want to leave behind?
Do they just want a portion of their fans to appreciate them? Or do their fans even like the music that they're playing?
155: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/08/21(水) 14:09:36.24 ID:+YV82ewR0
Nishikawa-kun really isn't holding back
211: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/08/21(水) 14:26:42.53 ID:r2tyCtW30
I really wonder why they chose to do folk songs.
Even from the oldies, we have Show-Ya and Princess Princess whom they can look up to as examples of girl bands. 
222: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/08/21(水) 14:34:02.93 ID:oroSWVneP

They did cover Princess Princess' Diamond during their Hello! Pro era
246: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/08/21(水) 14:48:58.33 ID:KOsXJJMD0

UP-front promotion has a bunch of amazing artists under its belt like Alice, Chisato Moritaka, Sharan-Q, and many more from the older generation. Takanori Nishikawa did succeed once Daisuke Asakura produced him, but he wasn't even successful when he was still in a band, so I don't think he's one to speak.
248: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/08/21(水) 14:51:03.04 ID:FH8nfcTnP
But I think the people who think that arranging '60s and '70s folk songs into rock would sell are in the minority LOL
255: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/08/21(水) 14:52:02.61 ID:3OWrDQGT0
When Tsunku produces things, the outcome just always seem so old, like from the Showa-era.
It feels dirty and unpolished, in a bad way.
Go have Nishikawa make a revolution.
307: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/08/21(水) 15:35:21.31 ID:qcb4zMz/0
Tanaka once emphasized her own beliefs too much, and it reached the point where she was even about to be terminated from the industry.
346: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/08/21(水) 16:03:04.72 ID:JOMPpq1x0
The program was fun.
The 2 guitarists were totally in sync with Nishikawa.
This is 100% a failure already.
It's on a level where even their fans would leave them behind.
377: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/08/21(水) 16:31:47.12 ID:+Tyb07HbO
That guitarist girl was much better than expected,
so she's not from Morning Musume, but from a musical school, huh?
389: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/08/21(水) 16:41:24.51 ID:olWNGIwo0
Reina must be panicking a bit

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