This was first voiced out when Momoiro Clover Z performed with miwa.
"MomoClo's getting in the way www"
"They're totally drowning out miwa's singing."
"They're horrible."
MomoClo also performed the classic "Cosmos" (Momoe Yamaguchi) with Masashi Sada later in the program.
"This singing level... Aplogize! Apologize to Momoe-chan!!"
"MomoClo's singing way out of tune, it feels like Masashi Sada's undergoing torture."
This was also true for Morning Musume who performed "Help me!!" and "Love Machine".
"Eh! So the current generation of Morning Musume is this bad at singing?"
"Is this an amateur singing contest?"
About Nogizaka46 who sang "Oide Shampoo":
"They're so bad, right? wwwwwww"
"It's like a school festival performance."
About Sexy Zone who performed "Sexy Summer ni yuki ga furu":
"Practice singing first WWWWWW"
"The singing is so bad, it's not sexy at all."
About Kis-My-Ft2 who sang "Donna toki mo" with Noriyuki Makihara:
"Makihara's beautiful voice is being obliterated by Kis-My."
"LOLing at the difference in their singing abilities."
But there are still people who commend them for singing live, which has even led to some celebrities such as Chiaki to comment:"I don't consider the ones lip-syncing as singers. From an aspiring singer". (Related post HERE)
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これが日本音楽業界の現実だから仕方ないよね
Can't be helped, this is how Japan's music industry is right now.
歌手じゃねーなｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗ
They're not singers wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
ちょうどテレビつけたら秋桜歌ってるところだったけどやばかった
即座にチャンネル切り替えたし
They were singing "Cosmos" when I turned on the TV, but it was really terrifying.I immediately changed the channel.
miwaもうまくないだろww
But miwa isn't good herself ww- 303： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/08/02(金) 19:44:33.51 ID:XSbh6fQP0
- >>22うまいよShe's good
- 439： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/08/02(金) 19:58:59.76 ID:2fyb8MP60
- >>22榊いずみとのコラボがすごく良かったHer collaboration with Izumi Sakaki was nice
逆に華原朋美はそこそこ上手くてガッカリ
I was actually disappointed that Tomomi Kahara was actually pretty decent
ももクロ
セクシーゾーン
SMAPのソロ
がワーストスリー
MomoCloSexy Zone
SMAP's solo
were the worst 3.
- 47： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/08/02(金) 19:10:11.06 ID:8qYm5S9ST
- >>27山P見てないのかよSo you didn't watch Yamapi?
キムタクが思ってたより上手くて見直した
KimuTaku was better than expected, I changed my opinion of him.- 313： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/08/02(金) 19:45:45.26 ID:XSbh6fQP0
- >>34いちおう「SMAPの中では一番うまい」ということで定評があるWell, he is widely considered "the best singer in SMAP"
酷かったのはももクロだろ
モー娘と乃木坂を巻き込むな
モー娘は昔より歌もダンスも上手かったし乃木坂もAKBにしてはちゃんと歌えてたぞ
ももクロが酷すぎたからって他のアイドルも巻き込むとはこの記事書いたのももクロヲタだろ
MomoClo was terrible.Don't include Morning Musume and Nogizaka.
Morning Musume's singing and dancing were better than it used to be, while Nogizaka was able to sing that well despite them being a part of the AKB group. Don't just go spreading the fire towards the other idols just because MomoClo was horrible. The one who wrote this article must've been a MomoClo wota.
- 881： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/08/02(金) 20:47:17.53 ID:5uOPtH1Y0
- >>43同意何も知らなかったがももクロの下手さだけはびっくりしたI agree, I didn't know anything but I was really surprised at how bad MomoClo was
きゃりーは口パクだった
中居も口パクだった
Kyary lip-synced.Nakai lip-synced too.
ももクロが酷すぎて
他を思い出せないよ
MomoClo was terrible, I couldn't remember anything else
さだまさし×ももいろクローバーZ「秋桜」
Sada Masashi x Momoiro Clover Z "Cosmos"
放送事故w
Broadcasting accident- 104： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/08/02(金) 19:18:19.66 ID:aMck4/ha0
- >>67wwwwwwwwwwwwひっでえｗwwwwwwwww
That's horrible
- 233： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/08/02(金) 19:34:38.21 ID:rBnlOQ+v0
- >>67カラオケで練習して生演でもいけると思いこんでしまったパターンやなShe must've practiced on karaoke and thought that she could do well even if she sang it live
- 234： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/08/02(金) 19:34:45.11 ID:ZY4Xvl6i0
- >>67信者のコメントが最高にキモいなwThe comments of her worshippers are extremely gross
これはこれで良いコンセプトの番組だよ
普段見られない姿だから逆に貴重だと思うけどな
恥を晒してでも出た奴は偉いし、出たがらない奴は逃げてると見なしていいわ
I actually like the concept of this program.You don't get to see this everyday, so these performances are actually pretty valuable.
I think the ones who participated are good even if they disgraced themselves, while I think that the ones who don't want to participate are just running away.
ももクロは下手くそとか言う以前に歌い方が気持ち悪すぎる。
MomoClo should do something about the way they sing before people call them horrible. It's just plain disgusting.- 86： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/08/02(金) 19:15:56.41 ID:bUmDakIQ0
- >>74ももクロはピンクが身体能力活かしてバックダンサーしてればいいMomoClo's pink should make good use of her athleticism and become a back-up dancer
乃木坂46「おいでシャンプー」
Nogizaka46 "Oide Shampoo"
ももクロは元気で楽しく歌ってるからコラボ行けるとふまれたんだろうが
楽しく元気なだけでしかないからな。
色々と引き受けて晒し者になってしまった
They probably thought MomoClo would be good at collaborating since they sing so happily and full of energy.But that's it.
They were just ridiculed in public.
山下智久×真心ブラザーズ 「SUMMERNUDE」
Tomohisa Yamashita x Magokoro Brothers "Summer Nude"
コラボはいいけど下手ｘ下手コラボで固めて欲しいわ
アイドルはアイドルとコラボしたら丸く収まるのに
I'm fine with collaborations, as long as they pair the bad ones with the other bad ones.Everything will be settled once they collaborate idols with other idols.
スマップもな
コラボ相手だけで十分なのが多々だったぜ
SMAP too.There were a lot of performances where it would've been better off with just their collaboration partners.
松田聖子が口パクを一切やらなかったと言う気がないが、
彼女の動画を見ると基本的には生歌だとおもうけど。
生歌ならではの小さいブレみたいなのは出ると思うが、そういうのあるし。
それも含めて事前に録音したやつを流してるとまで言われたら証明のしようがないけどさ
I won't say that Seiko Matsuda never lip-synced, but I do think that she sings live whenever I watch her videos.There's this distinct vibration in one's voice when you sing live, and she basically has that. But there's no proof that they recorded the live singing prior to that and they're just playing that.
親衛隊に笑うなよｗ
Don't laugh at her groupies w- 260： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/08/02(金) 19:38:44.44 ID:32rxfXmO0
- >>172オタクの系譜現代まで受け継がれていて安心したI feel relieved that the lineage of otakus are still alive up to this day
- 315： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/08/02(金) 19:46:03.34 ID:l/acoIpU0
- >>172親衛隊wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwGroupies wwwwwwwwwwwwww
いやいや今時のアイドルの歌唱力に何を期待してんのと
No, no, don't expect anything from the live singing of idols these days- 191： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/08/02(金) 19:29:02.63 ID:mJVcv6rC0
- >>175だから想像を超える酷さだったから話題になってる訳でAnd that's why their being talked about like this because their bad singing is beyond the imagination
ジャニで最初から最後まで生歌だったのはセクシーゾーンだけ
Sexy Zone was the only Johnny's group who sang live from beginning to end- 211： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/08/02(金) 19:30:53.04 ID:lIhw/vKrP
- >>189言うほど悪くないけどなThat's not as bad as everyone claims it to be
- 224： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/08/02(金) 19:33:30.85 ID:ARglXu2D0
- >>189素人のカラオケじゃんThat's like an amateur singing on karaoke
ももクロは普通だったろ。デジタル録画で観たらマシに見えた。
生放送の音響調整がおかしかったのも原因なんじゃないか。
それよりもEXILEの一人が尾崎のシェリーを得意げに下手糞だったのが気になるわ。
しかもなぜスマップは叩かれないのかｗｗ
MomoClo's performance was normal. When I watched the digital recording, I thought it was decent.It might have also been because of the bad reverb adjustments due to live singing.
But more than that, I was more concerned about the guy from EXILE who sang Ozaki's "Shelly" so bad.
And why isn't SMAP being bashed?
- 322： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/08/02(金) 19:47:20.24 ID:4rK2i0lq0
- >>202アツシだっけ？痩せて声量も肺活量も落ちてるから歌下手になってたね。あれは逆効果だと思った。Atsushi, right? He's become bad at singing when he lost weight because of a lower lung capacity and volume. I think that worked against him.
ももクロは主役扱いだったな
MomoClo were treated like the main stars this time
さだがももクロに引っ張られて音程取れなくなってんのが滅茶苦茶おもしろかった
It was so funny how Sada also couldn't sing in pitch properly after being influenced so much by MomoClo
生歌のほうが圧倒的におもしろいよな
口パクはやっぱり出さないほうがいいね
But live singing is much, much better. They really shouldn't be letting the ones who lip-sync perform at all.
乃木坂はいつだか同じフジの番組でやったこの生歌は悪くなかった
Nogizaka's live singing in one Fuji program wasn't bad though
モー娘の子ってみんな親玉のつんくみたいな歌い方に調教されていくよね
語尾をしゃくりあげるっていうか
口パクでパンツ見せてるＡＫＢより何倍もマシだけど
These Morning Musume girls seem to be taught to sing in the same way as the head honcho Tsunku.In that they sound like they strain the end of the phrases.
Well, it's much better though than AKB who just lip-sync and show off their panties.
今日は、ドラマあまちゃんが、口パクや、声の機械的な加工を、強烈に批判していた。
Today's episode of Amachan dissed lip-syncing and autotune so hard - 333： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/08/02(金) 19:48:18.96 ID:61pT8Qpj0
- >>310これすごかったよな・・どっか大変なことになりそうだよなｗThis was amazing.. This might cause them some trouble later on LOL
http://long.2chan.tv/jlab-long/s/long1375399462796.jpg
アイドルグループってボイトレしてないの？
Do these idol groups ever conduct voice training?
平原綾香＆水樹奈々「jupitar」
Ayaka Hirahara and Nana Mizuki "jupitar"
何気にこれも公開処刑だったな
平原の安定感が凄い
This was also public execution. Hirahara's amazingly consistent.
This was also public execution. Hirahara's amazingly consistent.
- 425： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/08/02(金) 19:57:23.54 ID:gXZd/8/x0
- >>327水樹も上手い歌手なんだが、相手は持ち歌だしこれはしゃーないにしても結構差が出たなｗMizuki's also a pretty good singer, but it can't be helped since this is her partner's song.
But even still, the difference was pretty evident.
アイドルでまともに歌えてたのしょこたんだけ
Among the idols, Shokotan was the only one who sang decently- 372： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/08/02(金) 19:52:12.19 ID:swioM8jL0!
- >>362E-Girlsも結構上手かったE-girls was also good
モー娘。と乃木坂は普通にしか思えないけどねぇ
ハードル高いなー
ももクロは制作の責任が大きい気がするよ
MoMusu and Nogizaka's performances were normal.The bar is set too high.
I think the production side is hugely at fault for MomoClo.
尾崎豊の生歌。これが本物の実力
Yutaka Ozaki live. Now this is what you call singing.- 442： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/08/02(金) 19:59:04.30 ID:JLMxZGzq0
- >>368コイツの歌はやっちゃだめだよね本物の存在感が凄すぎるNo one should be singing his songs.
This guy just has an amazing presence.
- 485： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/08/02(金) 20:03:22.30 ID:ySgv7ubM0
- >>368だけど薬中ですｗｗｗBut he's drugged www
ももくろ批判してるけど秋桜はさださんのリクエストだからな
これで共演三回目
People are dissing MomoClo but "Cosmos" was Sada-san's request.This is actually their 3rd time performing together.
- 417： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/08/02(金) 19:56:27.54 ID:mJVcv6rC0
- >>394マジかよ頭おかしいなさださんSeriously?
Sada-san must really be crazy.
- 434： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/08/02(金) 19:58:40.64 ID:PXXAj/y30
- >>3943回もやって放送事故なのかよ・・・・音楽界のために消滅しろよ枕できくちたらしこんだのか？So they've performed 3x already and are still committing broadcasting accidents...?
They should disappear already for the sake of the music industry.
Did they do pillow favors for Kikuchi?
確かに酷かったけど実況で下手だなーｗとか盛り上がるから生歌でいいよ
True, it was terrible but they should still let people sing live since it makes the live chats and broadcasting forums more active.
周りで圧倒的に不評だったのはサマーヌードの山下なのだが、違うのか？
But everyone around me absolutely hated Yamashita's "Summer Nude" number, wasn't that the case?- 456： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/08/02(金) 20:00:30.48 ID:PXXAj/y30
- >>411下手糞は全員不評だEveryone who was bad was generally hated
モー娘もモモクロもライブ映像見るともっと上手く歌ってるけど、あれは口パクなの？
Morning Musume's and MomoClo's concert videos actually sound better. Do they lip-sync there?- 445： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/08/02(金) 19:59:44.49 ID:yU9RtuayP
- >>415ライブはエコー効かせまくりだし、ソフト化するなら修正してるこれはアイドルに限らず誰でもやってるThey're using a ton of reverb at concerts, then they fix it when they make a soft copy of it.
This is true for everyone, not just idols.
ももクロは自前の曲はちゃんと歌えてたからな。
自前の曲さえまともに歌えない乃木坂とかと一緒にしないで欲しい。
あーりんの秋桜は聞き込むと味があるし。
But MomoClo was able to sing their own song properly.Don't put them in the same category as Nogizaka who weren't even able to sing their own song well.
Even A-rin's "Cosmos" has this nice flavor to it when you listen to it.
- 455： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/08/02(金) 20:00:30.01 ID:61pT8Qpj0
- >>433そういわれると持ち歌は一番ましだったなNow that you mention it, it's true that they did sing their own song decently.
- 492： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/08/02(金) 20:04:06.85 ID:CQWSAiMoI
- >>433動画見たけどさだまさし苦笑いしてんじゃんねーよI saw the video, but Masashi Sada had a wry smile on his face.
No way.
今回のFNSで一番クソだったのは
間違いなくきゃりーぱみゅぱみゅ
コラボもせず口パクで自分の曲を2曲
一体なんのために出てきたのか。スポンサーにauいたからかしらんけど番組の趣旨に反してるこういうやつを撥ねろよ
The shi++iest performance at this FNS was Kyary Pamyu Pamyu, without a doubt.No collaborations and she lip-synced both songs.
Why the heck did she perform? It must have been because au was one of the show's sponsors, but they shouldn't be including the ones who are going against the program's direction.
- 490： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/08/02(金) 20:04:05.62 ID:AliJAKm10
- >>477確かにあれはイカンよな。True, that was really bad
- 511： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/08/02(金) 20:05:29.15 ID:X09CAbY5O
- >>477ねー。きゃりーぱみゅぱみゅが一番興醒め。いつもと全く一緒で超つまらなかった。Right.
Kyary Pamyu Pamyu was the biggest turn-off.
It was so boring since it was just the same as usual.
FNS うたの夏まつり2013 E-girls - Follow Me
これくらいのレベルに達してないアイドルはテレビに出るな
Idols who haven't even reached this level shouldn't be on TV
浜田麻里とか正当に評価されるきっかけになるだろ。
I think this will lead to people like Mari Hamada receiving proper recognition- 524： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/08/02(金) 20:06:47.80 ID:PXXAj/y30
- >>513前から正当だろｗ音楽番組なんだからクオリティー保てよ素人カラオケ大会かBut she's already been receiving proper recognition since before.
They should have maintained the quality since it is a music program.
This isn't an amateur karaoke tournament.
- 555： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/08/02(金) 20:10:31.02 ID:ySgv7ubM0
- >>513それ以前に、レーベルと問題起こして干されてるんだよ＞浜田But Hamada's had trouble with her label and was frozen out
そのうちアイドルバブルも終わるんだろうけど
さっさと終わって欲しいな
ＡＫＢも桃黒も嫌いだわ
This idol bubble will eventually burst, but I can't wait for it to come any sooner.I hate AKB and MomoClo.
槇原良かったわあ。
やっぱ歌上手いな。
Makihara was good.He really is a good singer.
なんできゃりーは口パク許されてんの？
Why was Kyary's lip-syncing forgiven?- 643： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/08/02(金) 20:22:49.70 ID:LZp9LD+B0
- >>619なんかアイツって叩いちゃいけない風潮あるよな怖いわThere seems to be a trend where she's not allowed to be bashed.
It's so scary.
逆にプロの歌手は本当に通常運行で上手いんだなあと感心した
In the meantime, professional singers were like operating on autopilot, they really are amazing.
ジャニーズは絶対に出さなきゃいけないからな
他のアイドルも一緒に出しておけばそのゴリ押しも薄れて見えると思ったんだろ
生歌で歌唱力のある人達だけで持たせようと思ったら、玉置が過労死してしまうｗ
Because Johnny's has to be in these programs no matter what.And by putting other idols in the mix, then this push for Johnny's won't seem so obvious.
If they thought about holding the program together with only the ones who can sing well live, then Tamaoki will die from being overworked LOL
●自由の王者
玉置浩二
●敢闘賞
さだまさし、デーモン閣下、杉山清貴、浜田マリ、華原朋美、ＴＭ西川、氷川きよし？、
横山剣＆和田アキコ、橘いずみ＆miwa
●やめちまえ
やまＰ（サマーヌード）、ももくろ（秋桜含む全般）、あつし（シェリー）、キスマイ（どんな時も）、武田真司（ズルイ女）
乃木坂（So Young）、水樹奈々（ジュピター）、浜崎あゆみ（メドレー）、SMAP、草なぎ司会、フジ音楽祭
http://blog-imgs-57.fc2.com/g/e/i/geitsuboo/tamakikouji-0731.jpg
* The King of freedomKoji Tamaki
* Fighting spirit award
Masashi Sada, Demon Kakka, Kiyotaka Sugiyama, Mari Hamada, Tomomi Kahara, TM Nishikawa, Kiyoshi Hikawa, Ken Yokoyama and Akiko Wada, Izumi Tachibana and miwa
* Quit already
Yama-P (Summer Nude), MomoClo (Everything including Cosmos), Atsushi (Shelly), Kiss-My (Donna toki mo), Shinji Takeda (Zurui Onna), Nogizaka (So Young), Nana Mizuki (Jupitar), Ayumi Hamasaki (Medley), SMAP, Host Kusanagi, FNS
- 758： 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/08/02(金) 20:36:21.24 ID:dxHO3JHH0
- >>647玉置浩二とつんくのは玉置浩二がもうちょっとでも真面目にやったらかなり素晴らしかったと思うのThe one with Koji Tamaki and Tsunku, if Tamaki was only more serious in that one, it would have been really good.
ジャニもちゃんとうたって良かったよ
また聞きたいね
It was good since even Johnny's sang properly.I want to hear them again.
たぶんおニャン子は口パク
Onyanko were probably lip-syncing too
アイドルに期待してない
アイドルを歌手と組ませたのは間違い
ももクロは歌手と組んだから酷すぎた
I'm not expecting anything out of idols.Idols shouldn't be paired up with singers.
It was horrible when MomoClo was paired up with a singer.
さだまさしが秋桜を歌わせる女性歌手ってだいたいうまくいかない
さだまさしがどSなのか
The female singers whom Sada Masashi ask to sing "Cosmos" tend to mess up.Sada Masashi must really be a sadist.
ただでさえ下手なのに他人の曲を歌わせたのがマズかったな
上手い人でも他人の曲だとアレッ？って事が多々あるし
It's bad enough for them to sing, let alone sing other people's songs.There are also times when a good singer would sound off when singing other people's songs.
そういえば剛力さんでてなかったな・・残念
Come to think of it, Gouriki didn't perform... Too bad.
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