Great Chicken Powers
The guy who looked like Matchy
Keita Tachibana's guitar was destroyed when he went solo on Music Station
Can you give me the details about Great Chicken?
- ポニーキャニオンは昔嵐を捨ててw-indsを取ったんだよねそれで嵐は自社レーベルを作って出て行ったその後嵐がブレイクしてw-indsが落ちぶれて後悔する事にPony Canyon cut Arashi before and went with w-inds, right?
Arashi made their own label and left.
Then Arashi made their huge break while w-inds declined, and Pony regretted that.
- w-inds.みたいな系統はどっちみち人気でなかっただろうWhatever the case, I don't think something like w-inds would have become hugely popular.
They don't feel like they appeal to the masses.
- >>1マッチに似てた人＝新田純一 かな？他にも非ジャニ系アイドルはことごとく潰されてるだろ沖田浩之 堤大二郎 竹本孝之 WaT などThe guy who looked like Matchy = Junichi Nitta?
Even other non-Johnny's idols were crushed by them, right?
Hiroyuki Okita, Daijiro Tsutsumi, Takayuki Takemoto, WaT, etc.
- 新田純一Junichi Nitta
Johnny's never got on HEY!HEY!HEY! at the peak of that show, though
Good for the Checkers that they didn't get crushed, though
- DーBOYSはOKなん？So are the D-BOYS alright?
Is Nabe-Pro strong?
But Johnny's is lame since they can't put pressure on Kimchi-Pop
Won't it be impossible for them to eliminate popular bands? It'll be too obvious if they keep getting 1st on Oricon.
- ダパンプが初めてMステに出演した際に｢ダパンプが出るならもうジャニーズは出さない｣とキンキキッズがドタキャンそれでMステのみならずジャニーズが出る番組には歌って踊れる日本製の男性アーティストは出演できない例 DA PUMP、w-inds.、Lead、三浦大知、AAA、松下優也When DA PUMP went on Music Station for the first time, KinKi Kids cancelled at the last minute as the agency said, "We won't provide Johnny's talents anymore if DA PUMP is on the show".
And this is not just on Music Station, but any program that has Johnny's on it will not allow other Japanese singing and dancing groups guest on it.
e.g. DA PUMP, w-inds., Lead, Daichi Miura, AAA, Yuya Matsushita.
- ヴィジョン系・WAT・w-inds.に圧力がなかったら今よりマシになるかもしれんがSMAPや光gengiみたいに売れる図が想像できないなThings would've become more decent now if Vision-kei, WAT and w-inds. didn't get any pressure, but I still can't imagine them becoming as big as SMAP and Hikaru GENJI.
Vision has problems in the qualities of their talents so it's their fault if they can't survive in the industry
- 逆にウィンズなんかはアイドル路線で売らなければいけない圧力から解放されたので自分たちがやりたいことを突き詰められてそこにファンがついたって気もするそもそもボーカル以外の二人がアイドルとして通用したと思えないしI actually feel like w-inds were able to step out of the limitations of idolhood and have been able to do what they wanted, which gave them their current set of core fans.
And I don't even think that the 2 other members aside from the vocalist could've cut it as idols.
- 松下優也と三浦大地は中居くん司会の番組に出てたよ。つまり、ソロなら平気。Yuya Matsushita and Daichi Miura were on the program which Nakai-kun hosts.
Which means they don't have issues with solo artists.
They put pressure on opponents who feel like threats, but were there really other male idols who felt threatening?
- 暴力団対策法もあるし昔みたいな強引な潰しは出来なくなってきてると思うThere's also the Anti-Organized Crime Law in place.
I don't think they'll be able to crush others as forcefully as they did back then.
- グレチキとDAPUMPは有名だったなあHEY!HEY!HEY!はDAPUMP選択してジャニ一時出なくなったんだよなGreChicki and DAPUMP's cases were pretty well known.
HEY!HEY!HEY! chose DAPUMP and Johnny's didn't guest there for quite some time.
- 俳優としてデビューして力をつけて、向井理とかくらいの地位になった後に歌って踊れる歌手としてデビューすればジャニーズにも潰されないかもなI think if someone debuts as an actor first, builds his status up there, then once he's about as popular as Osamu Mukai, decides to debut as a singer/dancer then Johnny's probably can't do anything about that as well
- ジャニーズって言うほど潰してるか潰れるような人材ってどっち道そんなに売れないと思うぞHas Johnny's really been crushing these other talents as much as people say they are?
The kind of people who get crushed wouldn't have made it that popular, though.
- 圧力とは違うがSMAPは音楽番組が少なくバンドブームまっただ中でブレイクしたわけだしなそれくらい力がないと‥‥‥It's different from putting pressure, but SMAP made their break when there weren't that many music programs and when bands were the big thing in the industry. Someone should be as popular as that...
Though we see them a lot again these days, it seems that AAA were also under a huge amount of pressure
- 具体的にどうやって潰すんだろ？テレビ局に圧力をかけて出演させないようにするとか？How does the agency specifically crush their rivals?
By pressuring the TV stations and saying "We won't let you use our talents" and stuff?
- なんでそんなに詳しいんだよ…こういうスレを見るたび感心するわWhy do you guys know so much...
I always feel impressed with threads like this.
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