Talents who have been "erased" by Johnny's

1： 張り手(東京都) 2013/12/14(土) 12:04:34.23 ID:yHPf9wg0P

w-inds
少女隊
グレートチキンパワーズ
マッチに似てた人
...etc.
w-inds
Shojotai
Great Chicken Powers
The guy who looked like Matchy
...etc.

http://news.biglobe.ne.jp/entertainment/1213/1731679926/fri_012013121301.gif

2： 名無しさん＠実況は禁止です 2013/03/16(土) 22:52:23.88 ID:UmkPfVMs0

Lead

http://www42.tok2.com/home/osarupagew/wallpaper/vision/lead/lead2.jpg

7： 名無しさん＠実況は禁止です 2013/03/16(土) 22:58:17.13 ID:wcZhpr4A0

トシちゃん
Toshi-chan

8： 名無しさん＠実況は禁止です 2013/03/16(土) 22:59:49.59 ID:zSULuijd0

Ｍステでソロで出た時ギター壊された橘慶太
Keita Tachibana's guitar was destroyed when he went solo on Music Station

http://blog-imgs-57.fc2.com/t/r/e/trendsokuho/14baca20bc3e57.jpg

12： 名無しさん＠実況は禁止です 2013/03/16(土) 23:02:33.21 ID:io7Nykjb0

>>8

マジで？
Seriously?

13： 名無しさん＠実況は禁止です 2013/03/16(土) 23:03:02.59 ID:l1DeBWfv0

グレチキ詳しく
Can you give me the details about Great Chicken?

http://www.suruga-ya.jp/database/pics/game/250011606.jpg

121： 名無しさん＠実況は禁止です 2013/03/18(月) 10:59:44.65 ID:rlO6f9uFO

>>13

グレチキは時期･形式共にkinkiとカブったからジャニーズが得意の自社アイドル出さない攻撃で局に圧力

GreChicki came out in the same format and at the same time as KinKi so Johnny's played their usual card of "if you keep on using them, we won't let you use our idols" and put pressure on the TV stations

14： 名無しさん＠実況は禁止です 2013/03/16(土) 23:03:19.64 ID:DKW2xumt0

ポニーキャニオンは昔嵐を捨ててw-indsを取ったんだよね

それで嵐は自社レーベルを作って出て行った

その後嵐がブレイクしてw-indsが落ちぶれて後悔する事に

Pony Canyon cut Arashi before and went with w-inds, right?
Arashi made their own label and left.
Then Arashi made their huge break while w-inds declined, and Pony regretted that.

17： 名無しさん＠実況は禁止です 2013/03/16(土) 23:04:39.58 ID:x7uSRlGt0

w-inds.みたいな系統はどっちみち人気でなかっただろう
一般向けではなかった

Whatever the case, I don't think something like w-inds would have become hugely popular.

They don't feel like they appeal to the masses.

http://w-indswat.up.269g.net/image/w-inds.115B15D.jpg

16： 名無しさん＠実況は禁止です 2013/03/16(土) 23:03:28.88 ID:rmUuLi/W0

>>1

マッチに似てた人＝新田純一　かな？

他にも非ジャニ系アイドルはことごとく潰されてるだろ

沖田浩之　堤大二郎　竹本孝之　WaT　など

The guy who looked like Matchy = Junichi Nitta?
Even other non-Johnny's idols were crushed by them, right?
Hiroyuki Okita, Daijiro Tsutsumi, Takayuki Takemoto, WaT, etc.

http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/252/41241443.jpg

19： 名無しさん＠実況は禁止です 2013/03/16(土) 23:05:26.94 ID:kznU6QvT0

新田純一
竹本孝之

Junichi Nitta
Takayuki Takemoto

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/KKDWVDN0tuQ/0.jpg

20： 名無しさん＠実況は禁止です 2013/03/16(土) 23:05:41.96 ID:6jVifYjR0

全盛期HEY!HEY!HEY!にはジャニーズが出れなかったな
Johnny's never got on HEY!HEY!HEY! at the peak of that show, though

26： 名無しさん＠実況は禁止です 2013/03/16(土) 23:08:05.92 ID:bzzyVTaL0

>>20

DA PUMPはそのヘイヘイヘイで推されてたのに失速した

その辺りは実力がなかったとしか言えない

DA PUMP was pushed for on HEYHEYHEY though, but they lost momentum.
I think it can be said that they just didn't have the talent.

23： 名無しさん＠実況は禁止です 2013/03/16(土) 23:06:24.35 ID:rmUuLi/W0

チェッカーズはよく潰されなかったよな
Good for the Checkers that they didn't get crushed, though

27： 名無しさん＠実況は禁止です 2013/03/16(土) 23:08:38.45 ID:u7kAbS990

>>23

先にブームみたいに盛り上がったら潰しようがない
They made it big first so there's no way of crushing them

28： 名無しさん＠実況は禁止です 2013/03/16(土) 23:09:38.75 ID:q4YBGkGi0

>>23

バンド形式とってたから

DA PUMPは邪魔されてたけど

自滅したのは自業自得だよね

Because they took on a band format.

Johnny's got in the way of DA PUMP, but their disappearance was brought on by themselves.

31： 名無しさん＠実況は禁止です 2013/03/16(土) 23:13:31.15 ID:JtPzfmrR0

>>23

薬丸が「ザ・ベストテンとか歌番組で一緒になったら、潰すべきライバルなので自分は無視してツンツンしてたのに、そんな気も知らず、能天気な布川は、仲良くして一緒に遊んだりしてた」とか言ってたな

Yakumaru once said that "When we're on music programs like The Best Ten with rivals who we were supposed to crush, I'd ignore them and act like a snob but happy-go-lucky Fukawa would befriend them and even hang around with them"

24： 名無しさん＠実況は禁止です 2013/03/16(土) 23:07:07.16 ID:R2A6zee+0

DーBOYSはOKなん？
ナベプロのが強いの？

So are the D-BOYS alright?
Is Nabe-Pro strong?

http://www.kadokawa.co.jp/shop/sp/image/sp_98/98_01.jpg

33： 名無しさん＠実況は禁止です 2013/03/16(土) 23:14:12.44 ID:q4YBGkGi0

>>24

活動は出来るよ？

DA PUMPだってW-indsだって大勢ファン付けて売れてたじゃん。

ただ、ジャニと共演出来ないのが歌番組出演の大きな障害であるだけで。

They can still push on with their activities, you know?
Even DA PUMP and w-inds have a lot of their own fans, and sold pretty well.
It's just that they're being hindered on music shows and are not allowed together with Johnny's talents.

59： 名無しさん＠実況は禁止です 2013/03/17(日) 02:49:31.61 ID:RX8xloFQP

>>24

ナベプロが強いから、そこそこ見かけるけど、Ｍステのようにジャニーズとバッティングする番組には出てこない。

ナベプロのような大手は、男アイドル以外も多数抱えてるから、本気でジャニーズと対峙する必要性が無いんだろう。

ＬＤＨのジェネレーションズが大人気なのに、やはりＭステ出てこないんだよな。

ＥＸＩＬＥと違ってファン層被るから、制作側が必要以上に空気読んでるんだろうな。

Nabe-Pro is strong so I get to see those guys every now and then, but they won't be on shows like Music Station where they'd be getting on the same stage with Johnny's talents.
A major agency like Nabe-Pro has a lot of talents too, other than male idols so there's no need for them to go head-on against Johnny's.
From LDH, Generations is pretty popular but they still can't get on Music Station.
Unlike EXILE, their fanbase is pretty similar to Johnny's so the producers must be putting that into consideration as well.

29： 名無しさん＠実況は禁止です 2013/03/16(土) 23:11:58.62 ID:cCf9p9CmO

キムチポップには圧力かけられないヘタレジャニーズ
But Johnny's is lame since they can't put pressure on Kimchi-Pop

99： 名無しさん＠実況は禁止です 2013/03/18(月) 01:45:00.19 ID:EBTBSt30O

>>29

K-POPの大手事務所(少女時代・東方神起などが所属)とジャニーズは対立せず手を組んだんだよ

SMのホームページを見ると不自然にジャニをゴリ推ししてる

Because K-POP's major agency (the one with Girls' Generation and Tohoshinki) didn't choose to go up against Johnny's, but instead joined forces with them.
When you look at SM's homepage, you'd see how unnatural it is that they're pushing for Johnny's.

30： 名無しさん＠実況は禁止です 2013/03/16(土) 23:13:24.76 ID:u7kAbS990

売れてるバンドとかは潰すとか無理なんじゃないの？

オリコンで1位とか分かりやすい数字出ちゃうしね
Won't it be impossible for them to eliminate popular bands? It'll be too obvious if they keep getting 1st on Oricon.

43： 名無しさん＠実況は禁止です 2013/03/17(日) 00:00:40.86 ID:hLn4w9g3i

ダパンプが初めてMステに出演した際に｢ダパンプが出るならもうジャニーズは出さない｣とキンキキッズがドタキャン

それでMステのみならずジャニーズが出る番組には歌って踊れる日本製の男性アーティストは出演できない

例　DA PUMP、w-inds.、Lead、三浦大知、AAA、松下優也

When DA PUMP went on Music Station for the first time, KinKi Kids cancelled at the last minute as the agency said, "We won't provide Johnny's talents anymore if DA PUMP is on the show".

And this is not just on Music Station, but any program that has Johnny's on it will not allow other Japanese singing and dancing groups guest on it.

e.g. DA PUMP, w-inds., Lead, Daichi Miura, AAA, Yuya Matsushita.

96： 名無しさん＠実況は禁止です 2013/03/18(月) 01:29:17.41 ID:h9fIpawS0

>>43

それが本当だとしたら（本当だろうけどw）

犯罪だよなw独禁法に触れるわ

公共の電波を一部の企業が占有して良いはずが無い

If that's true (which I think it is w)
then that's a crime w That's against the anti-monopoly act.
There's no way that a single group or company is allowed to exclusively hog these public broadcasting rights.

108： 名無しさん＠実況は禁止です 2013/03/18(月) 03:59:21.40 ID:xrTG6KDw0

>>43

ヘイヘイヘイが一番視聴率時期にとれた時にジャニーズは出れなかったな

w-inds.やDA PUMPが出まくってた 

力を持ったら誰でもジャニーズみたいな汚い真似する

There weren't any Johnny's on Hey!Hey!Hey! when it had its highest ratings.
w-inds. and DA PUMP were on it a lot.
It just means that anyone can play dirty tricks like Johnny's as long as you have authority.

45： 名無しさん＠実況は禁止です 2013/03/17(日) 00:11:21.11 ID:PvWAkYEF0

ヴィジョン系・WAT・w-inds.に圧力がなかったら今よりマシになるかもしれんがSMAPや光gengiみたいに売れる図が想像できないな

Things would've become more decent now if Vision-kei, WAT and w-inds. didn't get any pressure, but I still can't imagine them becoming as big as SMAP and Hikaru GENJI.

54： 名無しさん＠実況は禁止です 2013/03/17(日) 01:05:32.89 ID:fepPAGOo0

>>45

WATは別にジャニから圧力受けてないだろ。

普通にmステ出てるどころか

中居司会の番組で歌ってるし。

WAT doesn't get hindered by Johnny's.
Not only do they get to sing on Music Station, they were even able to sing on the program that Nakai hosts.

46： 名無しさん＠実況は禁止です 2013/03/17(日) 00:23:30.53 ID:3g8OKLoE0

ヴィジョンはタレントの資質に問題ありだから生き残れないのは自業自得
Vision has problems in the qualities of their talents so it's their fault if they can't survive in the industry

49： 名無しさん＠実況は禁止です 2013/03/17(日) 00:39:31.74 ID:Ff5f4sRg0

逆にウィンズなんかはアイドル路線で売らなければいけない圧力から解放されたので自分たちがやりたいことを突き詰められてそこにファンがついたって気もする

そもそもボーカル以外の二人がアイドルとして通用したと思えないし

I actually feel like w-inds were able to step out of the limitations of idolhood and have been able to do what they wanted, which gave them their current set of core fans.
And I don't even think that the 2 other members aside from the vocalist could've cut it as idols.

50： 名無しさん＠実況は禁止です 2013/03/17(日) 00:42:49.80 ID:aOvSfffEO

松下優也と三浦大地は中居くん司会の番組に出てたよ。

つまり、ソロなら平気。

Yuya Matsushita and Daichi Miura were on the program which Nakai-kun hosts.
Which means they don't have issues with solo artists.

53： 名無しさん＠実況は禁止です 2013/03/17(日) 00:47:54.81 ID:3g8OKLoE0

圧力は脅威に感じるからかけるわけで、そんなに脅威の有る男性アイドルなんていたかなあ。
They put pressure on opponents who feel like threats, but were there really other male idols who felt threatening?

56： 名無しさん＠実況は禁止です 2013/03/17(日) 02:12:46.08 ID:OclqxjH60

暴力団対策法もあるし

昔みたいな強引な潰しは出来なくなってきてると思う

There's also the Anti-Organized Crime Law in place.
I don't think they'll be able to crush others as forcefully as they did back then.

58： 名無しさん＠実況は禁止です 2013/03/17(日) 02:28:59.73 ID:VtgK/09G0

グレチキとDAPUMPは有名だったなあ

HEY!HEY!HEY!はDAPUMP選択してジャニ一時出なくなったんだよな

GreChicki and DAPUMP's cases were pretty well known.
HEY!HEY!HEY! chose DAPUMP and Johnny's didn't guest there for quite some time.

61： 名無しさん＠実況は禁止です 2013/03/17(日) 04:29:40.78 ID:tZ/W0etyi

俳優としてデビューして力をつけて、向井理とかくらいの地位になった後に歌って踊れる歌手としてデビューすればジャニーズにも潰されないかもな

I think if someone debuts as an actor first, builds his status up there, then once he's about as popular as Osamu Mukai, decides to debut as a singer/dancer then Johnny's probably can't do anything about that as well

62： 名無しさん＠実況は禁止です 2013/03/17(日) 04:35:32.46 ID:kWNF1SSF0

ジャニーズって言うほど潰してるか

潰れるような人材ってどっち道そんなに売れないと思うぞ

Has Johnny's really been crushing these other talents as much as people say they are?
The kind of people who get crushed wouldn't have made it that popular, though.

63： 名無しさん＠実況は禁止です 2013/03/17(日) 04:44:46.72 ID:ZvVlTOUV0

圧力とは違うが

SMAPは音楽番組が少なくバンドブームまっただ中でブレイクしたわけだしな

それくらい力がないと‥‥‥

It's different from putting pressure, but SMAP made their break when there weren't that many music programs and when bands were the big thing in the industry. Someone should be as popular as that...

64： 名無しさん＠実況は禁止です 2013/03/17(日) 04:52:51.86 ID:WoSYjvNtO

森脇健児
Kenji Moriwaki

http://www.kbs-kyoto.co.jp/radio/satami/img/p_moriwaki.jpg

76： 名無しさん＠実況は禁止です 2013/03/17(日) 12:39:28.58 ID:AMV1isxdO

最近また出てきたけど

ＡＡＡもかなりプレッシャー受けてたみたいだな
Though we see them a lot again these days, it seems that AAA were also under a huge amount of pressure

77： 名無しさん＠実況は禁止です 2013/03/17(日) 12:41:30.74 ID:OH8ZgeEM0

具体的にどうやって潰すんだろ？

テレビ局に圧力をかけて出演させないようにするとか？

How does the agency specifically crush their rivals?
By pressuring the TV stations and saying "We won't let you use our talents" and stuff?

79： 名無しさん＠実況は禁止です 2013/03/17(日) 12:54:01.03 ID:d6p1F7pBO

>>77

何度も記事になってるじゃん

ライバルを出演させるならうちらも出演しないとか

この前の音楽祭とかもももクロ歌わせるならAKBも歌わないって

ジャニは昔紅白の枠要求して断られてそれでジャニカウントダウン始めたし火曜曲に外タレ出ないのはジャニがNG出してる可能性は高いね

There have already been a lot of articles about it.
Like "We won't let our talents guest if you're going to use our rivals".

Like this previous music festival where they said that AKB won't sing if MomoClo will. Johnny's used to demand for a Kouhaku slot, but got turned down, which led to the establishment of the Jani Countdown. And the reason why there weren't any foreign talents on Kayoukyoku was probably because of Johnny's not giving their approval.

82： 名無しさん＠実況は禁止です 2013/03/17(日) 13:54:01.44 ID:LYNo5VFu0

>>77

その通り

ただ、ジャニは鞭だけじゃなくちゃんと飴も使う

芸能マスコミをアゴアシつきでハワイに招待して取材させたりとかしてる

Exactly.
But Johnny's isn't always about power harassment, they suck up to them as well.
They invite the showbiz media and others to Hawaii, all expenses paid, and let them cover their talents.

86： 名無しさん＠実況は禁止です 2013/03/17(日) 14:44:03.33 ID:xVEty4ZB0

なんでそんなに詳しいんだよ…

こういうスレを見るたび感心するわ

Why do you guys know so much...
I always feel impressed with threads like this.

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