Like X, BUCK-TICK, and BOOWY?
http://img5.blogs.yahoo.co.jp/ybi/1/ca/12/aaxyzz1121/folder/116400/img_116400_198791_0
Those are '80s bands
Where did the word 'visual-kei' come from anyway?
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- >>63Xのサイケデリックバイオレンスアンドクライムオブビジュアルショック
X's "PSYCHEDELIC VIOLENCE CRIME OF VISUAL SHOCK"
http://natalie.mu/uploads/news_images/2007_04_14/22_37_38-image_fileArray.jpg
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- >>63Xの「PSYCHEDELIC VIOLENCE CRIME OF VISUAL SHOCK」を見て
SHOXXの星子さんがヴジュアル系って呼び出したとか色々説はある
耽美系とかって呼ばれてたこともあるよ
There are a lot of theories surrounding that, like this time when SHOXX's (magazine) Hoshiko saw X's "PSYCHEDELIC VIOLENCE CRIME OF VISUAL SHOCK" and started calling them visual-kei.
There was also a time when it was called "Tanbi-kei"*
* (Aesthetic)
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- >>66 >>68なるほど
ひょっとしたらサイケデリック系になってたかもしれんのね
I see. Then there could have been a possibility that they were called "Psychedelic-kei", huh.
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- >>85サイケはサイケでジャンルがあるから多分ならなかったと思う
The genre psychedelic already exists so I don't think that would have happened
http://www.poster-books.com/images/masters-of-rock-issue-7-psychedelic-60s.jpg
Buck-Tick's hair pierces the heavens
http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/3702048/BUCKTICK+_15.jpg
There were a lot of hopeless bands lower than trash that existed
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- >>6今よりましだろ
It's still better than what we have now
I don't think BOOWY and X are visual-kei, though.
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- >>8Xがビジュアル系だから
勉強してこい
X is visual-kei.
Go back and do some research.
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- >>8Xが元祖だろ
X is the original v-kei
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- >>15聖飢魔II忘れてんじゃねえぞ
蝋人形にしてやろうか
Don't forget Seikima2.
Want me to turn you into a wax doll?
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- >>18あれはヘヴィメタルだって
But that's heavy metal
Let's first start with X
It was just in the CD bubble era
I won't forgive anyone who speaks ill of Shinya
I can become friends with whoever will mention Laputa ahead of every other '90s band
http://japan-discoveries.com/images/magazine_fools%20mate%20extrax_laputa_01.jpg
It was a time when Dir, who sells about 30,000 copies of their singles in their first week now, was able to release 3 major debut singles at once and was able to record in Los Angeles
I personally think BUCK-TICK isn't visual, but beat rock
DIE IN CRIES
Body
DEAD END who's being used as reference by a lot of bands
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- >>32DEAD ENDのトリビュート豪華すぎてわろた
DEAD END's tribute was so extravagant, LOL
後期になるとPIERROTとかcali≠gariとかDirとかか
Other popular ones are Eins:Vier and Malice Mizer.
From the latter part, there's PIERROT, cali≠gari and Dir.
http://kimo3.img.jugem.jp/20130724_699733.jpg
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- >>33ラクリマとかシャズナ辺りじゃね？
ディルとかはもう少し後の気がする
Don't you mean La'cryma and Shazna?
I think Dir came a bit later
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- >>36は？Dirは90年代後期だろ
フールズとかも表紙飾ってたじゃん
今も活動してる90年代後期表紙組だとあとはPlastic Treeなんかもそうだな
Huh? Dir came in the late 90's.
They were even on the cover of Fool's.
There's also Plastic Tree among the groups that are still active out of the ones that came out in the late 90's
http://im1-a.mbokimg.dena.ne.jp/3/7/935/215351935.1.jpg
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- >>46ディルは99年デビューだしイメージ的に2000年以降って感じ
アイルで一位取ってYOSHIKIでデビューだっから最初から一気にいったけどね
ルナシーとかの後だとラクリマ辺りだろ
Dir made their debut in 1999 but it feels that they were huge from 2000 onwards.
They got 1st with "I'll" and made their debut through YOSHIKI so they were full throttle right from the get-go.
After Luna Sea, I think it was it was La'cryma, etc.
90年ガチV系勢 ルナシー 黒夢 ディル マリス ピエロ ラファエルラピュータ ルアージュ
90年ソフトV系勢 ラルク グレイ ラクリマ ペニシリン ジャンヌ シャズナ
ぐらいじゃね
'80s - before V-kei was defined:
X, BT, Dead End, D'ERLANGER, AUTO-MOD, COLOR
'90s - hardcore V-kei:
Luna Sea, Kuroyume, Dir, Malice, Pierrot, Raphael, Laputa, Rouage
'90s - soft V-kei:
L'Arc, Glay, La'cryma, Penicillin, Janne, Shazna
I think.
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- >>35これだろ
This
- 53: ぺろぺろ紳士 ◆p51RVEp752 2013/10/07 21:21:36 ID:e6KkLlhF0
- >>35シャズナって結構ガチな扱いじゃなかった？
Wasn't Shazna considered one of the more hardcore v-kei bands?
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- >>53ドラム抜ける前までは普通に格好良い系目指してた気がする
I think they were aiming for a cool type of band until the drummer left
TUSK, the negative charisma who leads Zi:Kill
X and Luna Sea were amazing, then L'Arc and Penicillin came forward
Fanatic Crisis, Sleep My Dear, Penicillin
http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/18689311/FANATICCRISIS.jpg
The men of Kansai, AION
ベースの人はこれの前に>>42のボーカルの人と組んでた
A pretty rare musical direction for visual-kei, Eins:Vier
The bassist used to be bandmates with the vocalist of >>42 before this.
バンドでメイクの元祖なら玉置浩二とかね？ｗｗ
People say that X created the word visual-kei, right?
But when it comes to makeup, isn't it Koji Tamaki the one who started it all? ww
http://blogimg.goo.ne.jp/user_image/39/7b/b8a7e54a884e5c9b2d74067bd9a1f349.jpg
Penicillin was just a one-hit wonder with "Romance"
http://oriconv.seesaa.net/article/160736907.html
目立ってないのならVIVIDとか摩天楼オペラとか己龍とか探せば上手いのけっこういるよ
Right now, SID's the only good band that stands out.
If you look for others that are just flying under the radar, there's VIVID, Matenrou Opera, and Kiryu who are also pretty good.
http://i.listen.jp/img/news/20090110/25808_2.jpg
I think that even not-so-good bands back then could still earn a few if they have a reunion now
Visual-kei, the fathers of industrial: Genkaku Allergy
今見ると普通だが当時は異端だったわ
Shazna's one of the bands that changed the direction of visual-kei (in a bad way).
They may look normal now but they were pretty unorthodox back then.
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjbum_KlwJrQc9m3a5K3amXcZw2FHBuBXalUVr5TecQrIGdULq8NyMuAjEGJ03oCHtPeAYSvWrFLZxzx7saZs9QJD2VsvFHFF0fuGwpiCyN5ZTmrbAuTmEGIO-8dn6VsiL1CIudnF7ilE_8/s1600/shazna.jpg
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- >>56メジャーで女形ボーカルは珍しかったね
It was rare for a major label band to have a female-looking vocalist back then
What about KING-SHOW*? (Kinniku Shoujotai)
http://blog-imgs-47.fc2.com/s/u/g/sugarloverstanderd/20130206230548763.jpg
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- >>57ジャパメタともビジュアル系ともグラムロックとも言えない
独特
They're not Japanese metal, nor visual, nor glam.
They were unique.
ベースにDragon Ashの馬場育三
ドラムに布袋寅泰・吉井和哉のライブサポート等で活躍中の酒井愁
十数年後に売れっ子を排するもボーカルはド下手なVIRUS
kiyoshi of hide with spread beaver on guitars
Ikuzo Baba of Dragon Ash on bass
Shue Sakai who is the supporting drummer for Tomoyasu Hotei and Kazuya Yoshii on drums
VIRUS, who came out with a hit 10 years later but has terrible vocals
Kin-Show is always positioned weirdly as to whether they're v-kei or not whenever we talk about things like this
hide is the father who gave birth to visual-kei
http://blog-imgs-12-origin.fc2.com/x/j/a/xjapan520316/hide3_20071213005631.jpg
Dirの残のパクリ元曲でもある
When Kuroyume were still V-kei.
This is also what Dir copied for their song -ZAN-.
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- >>70そっか、黒夢がヴィジュアル系じゃない頃の方が長いのか…
I see, so Kuroyume's actually been out of the visual-kei scene longer than they were in it.
マリス的なゴス、シャズナ的な女装ソフビ、初期黒夢的なコテ系で方向性が固まった感じ
The V-kei during X's time felt like it wasn't able to differentiate itself from yankee music.
The direction of V-kei felt like it got more solidified with Malice's goth, Shazna's female soft vinyl, and the initial Kuroyume's old-fashion style.
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- >>73ヘビメタさんだったからね
Because they were heavy metal
The usual, LUNA SEA
There's no point in listening to any V-kei band other than LUNA SEA
Luis-Mary, a band that had nothing except that it used to be Takanori Nishikawa's band
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- >>77TMは聴いた事無いけどLuis-MaryのCDは持ってる（笑）
I haven't heard of TM but I have a CD of Luis-Mary (LOL)
ヴィジュアル系のL'Arc～en～Cielです
Hello
It's L'Arc～en～Ciel who are visual-kei
だからそこ本人達もこの曲が入ったアルバム以降迷走したんだろう
I think Laputa perfected the dark, hard, and melodic type of visual-kei.
And that's why they went on to the wrong direction with their releases that came after the album where this song was included.
We included Laputa so I also have to include Rouage
その点は評価できるな
Laputa kept wearing black until the end, right?
I can commend them for that.
And surprisingly, Plastic Tree actually made their major label debut a year after Laputa and Rouage did
Plastic Tree has stood the test of time
http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/277934/Plastic+Tree.jpg
Pierrot
From here comes the reignition of the V-kei popularity on the program BREAK OUT.
Pierrot
I can't hear people calling TAKA out!
L- L'Arc isn't visual-kei, got it... (trembling voice)
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