ハリウッド映画の真似だけしても資質の違う監督起用して結局いつも失敗してるし逆に気の毒
Is it just that they're lazy? Or are those the results of their serious efforts?
I have no intention of denying the existence of Japanese movies whatsoever, but no matter how hard they try to imitate Hollywood, they still have to make do with directors of a different quality, and everything just ends in failure. I'm actually feeling sorry for the industry.
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- 3： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/05(火) 02:54:48.21 0 ID:
- 伝統なんだよ今に始まったことじゃなくて昔もとんでもないのいっぱいあったそれを笑ってすませる余裕がなくなったんだなIt's a tradition.
This isn't just happening now, there were already a lot of horrible movies back in the day.
People just can't afford to laugh it off like they used to anymore. - 4： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/05(火) 02:58:33.36 0 ID:
- テルマエロマエとかでも原作料100万でつくれるから安いんだろ
It's cheap since you only had to pay a million yen for the rights to even something like THERMAE ROMAE.
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- 作家が壊滅
Because writers have been wiped out - 7： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/05(火) 03:00:25.33 0 ID:
- 必ず年に二～三本はキッツイのあるよな（今年はガッチャマン）ノルマでもあるんかThere are always about 2 or 3 really bad ones a year (This year, it's Gatchaman).
Do they have some sort of quota to fulfill?
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- スポンサーがつきやすいからな
Because it's easier to get sponsors - 9： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/05(火) 03:02:04.55 0 ID:
- 原作つきじゃないとお金が集まらない今だとアニメや漫画くらいしか食いついてこないからThey won't be able to gather money if there's no original to base it on.
People only latch onto anime and manga these days. - 13： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/05(火) 03:04:01.27 i ID:
- ヤマトとか魔女の宅急便とか素人でも予算たらんだろうなって解るの多い
But there are a lot of movies that will make even amateurs realize that they lacked budget-- like Yamato and Majo no Takkyubin - 19： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/05(火) 03:06:40.58 0 ID:
- 断らない原作者（出版社？）も悪い
It's also the fault of the authors (publishers?) of the original story since they're not rejecting these proposals -
- 25： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/05(火) 03:09:09.06 0 ID:
- >>19メディアミックスの恩恵に目がくらむんだろ
They're probably blinded by the benefits of media mix advertising
- 21： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/05(火) 03:08:32.58 0 ID:
- テルマエロマエの原作者が原作料が安すぎると文句言ったらわがままいうなと２ちゃんねらは叩いてただろｗRemember when Thermae Romae's author complained about how cheap the original fee was and how 2channel bashed him, saying that he shouldn't complain? w
- 26： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/05(火) 03:09:29.50 0 ID:
- 映画『男子高校生の日常』予告編
Danshi Koukousei no Nichijo trailer
映画『僕は友達が少ない』特報映像
Boku wa tomodachi ga sukunai special trailer
どっちもライダー主演
Both have riders as the lead -
- 33： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/05(火) 03:12:33.75 0 ID:
- >>26はがない酷すぎだろwwwww
Haganai's horrible wwwww
- 30： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/05(火) 03:11:28.43 0 ID:
- ドラマも原作漫画ばっかじゃん
Even most of the dramas are based on some other original story - 34： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/05(火) 03:12:47.60 0 ID:
- 原作者は権利関係やお金に疎いから簡単に言いくるめられるそうだな
The authors probably don't know much about rights and financial stuff so they're probably fooled easily - 39： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/05(火) 03:14:18.73 0 ID:
- 金かかってないのもダメだし金かけてるのも失敗するし本当目も当てられない変態仮面だけはちょっと面白かった
The ones with a low budget weren't good, and even the ones that spent a lot have been failing. It's really unsightly. Hentai Kamen was the only one that was slightly good.
http://up.gc-img.net/post_img_web/2013/07/e4kKsg7pNjps9rT?.jpg - 42： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/05(火) 03:15:46.60 0 ID:
- 今度ルパンやるけどまた叩かれるんだろうなあ過去にも念力珍作戦という黒歴史があるのに…They're going with Lupin next, but it'll definitely be bashed to bits.
To think that the franchise even had a dark history in the past with Nenriki chinsakusen.
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- アメリカは映像産業で映画が一番強いから映画会社に脚本が集まる日本の場合は漫画・アニメ・ラノベが地続きで強さを発揮してるから映画は2次元の実写化になるIn America's film industry, movie is still the strongest medium, so all the good screenplays go to these movie companies.
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- 50： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/05(火) 03:19:29.81 0 ID:
- >>46ハリウッド映画だってリメイクと続編ばっかじゃんそれも成功してるのか疑わしいEven Hollywood is just full of remakes and sequels.
And it's getting really suspicious why those are successful.
- 51： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/05(火) 03:19:25.98 0 ID:
- 原作者が映画の話来たら喜ぶのはベストの形の映画になった様を想像するからでヒドいものになることを予想できたら誰も許可せんでしょうAny author would probably rejoice once someone proposes to make his work into a movie.
Then they imagine their works being adapted in the best possible manner, else, no author would approve of a project if they can predict that the outcome will be horrible. - 54： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/05(火) 03:20:53.06 0 ID:
- でも去年だか一番ヒットした邦画は海猿でこれも漫画の映画化じゃんThe biggest hit last year in the movies was Umizaru, and this is also based on a manga
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- アニメ界に日本の才能が集結しているかのように言うピリッとしたレスがあるスレだなThis is a thread that has some pretty harsh responses which are implying that Japan's talents are only gathered in the anime world
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- 78： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/05(火) 03:28:40.36 i ID:
- >>65つまり日本には創造力はあるがそれを実写化する程映画に金があつまらない
It means that Japan has the creativity; the industry just can't get enough funds to turn that into live action
- 69： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/05(火) 03:25:31.92 0 ID:
- 三丁目の夕日とかも漫画だな結局大ヒット映画に漫画原作ものが多いからあれもこれも映画化しようって思うんだろ制作者がEven Sanchoume no Yuuhi was based on a manga.
It's just that a lot of movies that went on to become huge hits are based on a manga, so it's natural that all these producers would think about making live action versions of everything.
http://img5.blogs.yahoo.co.jp/ybi/1/ae/1d/openmind1114/folder/1246503/img_1246503_53876608_0?1214736423
- 74： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/05(火) 03:27:07.77 0 ID:
- 海猿は現実的な話だし映画にしやすいんだろうけど問題にしてるのはガッチャマンとかヤマトとかああいうののことだろUmizaru's story is realistic so it's easy to make into a movie.
The ones we're considering problems are Gatchaman and Yamato, the like. - 80： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/05(火) 03:29:26.83 0 ID:
- 原作通りやればよくなるもんでもないことを20世紀少年が証明した
20th Century Boys is the movie that proved how something done exactly according to the original won't always turn out good.
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- 20世紀少年で思い出したけどYAWARAの実写映画好きだった
I just remembered it with 20th Century Boys, but I also like YAWARA's live action movie
http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/ogenre/imgs/2/6/2653a9de.png - 95： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/05(火) 03:34:00.36 0 ID:
- アニメの実写より携帯小説とか素人作品の実写が酷いと思う
I think making live action adaptations of cellphone novels and amateur works is much more horrible than making anime into live action. - 96： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/05(火) 03:34:34.95 0 ID:
- 恋空とか電車男？
Like Koizora and Densha Otoko?
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- だいたい実写映画化で成功したのってあるの？加山雄三の「ブラックジャック」以外に。(笑)Are there live action movies which you can really call a success?
Other than Yuzo Kayama's Black Jack. (laughs)
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- 108： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/05(火) 03:38:26.27 0 ID:
- >>103ドラマだけど花より男子井上真央の方I'm talking about a drama, though, but Hana Yori Dango.
The one with Mao Inoue.
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- 113： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/05(火) 03:40:32.22 0 ID:
- >>103テルマエだろ
Thermae
- 117： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/05(火) 03:41:55.70 0 ID:
- マンガマンガしてる原作を実写化するから駄目なんじゃないの島耕作みたいな実写にしても絵的に違和感無いものを実写化すればいいのにThe bad thing is they're making live action adaptations of manga that seem too "manga".
They should just focus on the ones like Shima Kousaku which wouldn't stray away too much from the original. - 122： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/05(火) 03:44:42.81 0 ID:
- でも最近は随分と良くなってきた昔はマンガが原作だと思って舐めた映画作ってたからなで原作の漫画よりよっぽど幼稚でマンガな映画が出来上がるとBut they've improved a lot in recent times.
They used to make movies foolishly just because it came from a manga.
And the result is a movie that would seem even more childish than the original manga itself. - 125： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/05(火) 03:46:08.10 0 ID:
- 単純に才能のある奴らが日本映画界に行かず他のジャンルに行ってるだけだろ
It's just that the talented people haven't been going to the movie industry, and are instead going to other fields. Plain and simple. - 139： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/05(火) 04:02:19.93 0 ID:
- やっぱり観たいって声もあるから後を絶たないんだろうな
Because people are still clamoring that they'd want to see live action versions so there's no end to it - 146： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/05(火) 04:11:13.47 0 ID:
- 黒子はその内やっちゃいそうだなテニプリやったしI feel they'll do Kuroko eventually.
They already did TeniPuri, so...
http://sink-different.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/kurokonob.jpg - 157： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/05(火) 04:31:56.12 0 ID:
- 元々メジャーな漫画や小説が原作の作品は宣伝効果が全然違うんだよオリジナルだとキャストや監督のブランドで勝負しなくちゃならなくなるBecause the amount of promotion you'll be getting with a manga and anime that are already major hits to begin with is totally out of the norm. If you're going for an original script, you'll have to factor in how big the name values, or "brands", the cast and director possess.
- 162： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/05(火) 04:34:25.17 0 ID:
- アメコミやその映画化作品面白いか？
- Are American comic books and their movies really good?
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- 165： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/05(火) 04:37:02.27 0 ID:
- >>162面白いかどうかは個人差あるが世界的な興行収入で判断する限り面白いとなるねWhether or not it's good will depend on each individual, but if you judge it based on the worldwide box-office sales, then you can say that these are good
- 167： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/05(火) 04:39:42.93 0 ID:
- アメコミ原作ってヒーローもんばかりだろ仮面ライダーを金かけて作ってんだから面白いに決まってるThese movies from US comic books are all about heroes.
It's like pouring in a lot of money into Kamen Rider. Of course that would be good. - 180： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/05(火) 04:49:40.41 0 ID:
- 日本の漫画は先にアニメになってるから実写化に壁があるんだよ
Japanese mangas are made into anime first so there's always this wall which live versions have to face. - 210： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/05(火) 05:09:40.13 0 ID:
- しかも最近じゃ制作費回収の担保のためにジャニとAKBが出まくりという悪循環And we're in this vicious spiral right now where they're employing all these AKB and Jani talents in order to guarantee them a return of their production costs
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- 251： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/05(火) 05:48:10.06 0 ID:
- >>210プロデューサーの立場になったら何億もつぎ込むギャンブルみたいなんもんだから少しでも客入れるために作品性を度外視してアイドル使うのはやむを得ないと思うがそれにしても最近のキャスティングはヒドイなTry putting yourself in the shoes of the producer. Making movies is like taking a gamble of investing millions and billions of yen, so I can't really blame them if they're resorting to these idols to at least guarantee that some people will watch it, even if they have to sacrifice the quality a bit.
But even still, the casting recently has been horrible.
- 215： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/05(火) 05:11:43.36 0 ID:
- ワンピースはやっぱり作者が許可しないのか
So One Piece's author doesn't approve of his work being turned into live action? -
- 220： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/05(火) 05:15:48.50 0 ID:
- >>215ちょっと前にどっかの雑誌で「ワンピースを実写化するならどんなキャストがいい？」ってアンケートやったらダントツ１位が「実写かなんてするな」だったことがｗI read a survey in some magazine a while back asking "What kind of cast would you want if ever One Piece is made into live action?", and the #1 result, by a landslide, was "Don't turn it into live action!" w
- 230： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/05(火) 05:27:42.06 0 ID:
- 聖闘士星矢の実写版やりますとか言い出したら俺は震えるね是非見てみたいどれほど笑える仕上がりになるのかアテナは剛力ちゃんで頼むI'm gonna tremble if ever they start saying that they'll do a live action version of Saint Seiya.
I want to see how laughable the result will be.
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- 233： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/05(火) 05:28:31.04 0 ID:
- >>230昔SMAPがやってなかったか？Didn't SMAP do that before?
- 236： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/05(火) 05:30:10.39 0 ID:
- SMAPやってたな森がまだいたときだSMAP did.
That was when Mori was still with the group.
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- 日本のマンガは厳しい競争を勝ち抜いて人気作品になるものばかりだからなその辺の脚本家が書き下ろすよりよっぽど素材として信頼出来るJapanese mangas all overcome fierce competition and turn into hits.
It's just natural that these are more dependable than what your average screenwriter would create. - 276： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/05(火) 06:17:01.80 0 ID:
- 今度の月9も漫画原作だが主演が松本潤でしょ何かもうジャニやAKBや武井剛力から日本は逃れられそうにないなEven the next Monday-9 drama is based on a manga with Jun Matsumoto playing the lead.
It feels that Japan can't run away from Jani, AKB, Takei, and Gouriki anymore.
http://stat.ameba.jp/user_images/20131104/06/tuyaka-syuntaro/3a/f8/j/o0480036012738057424.jpg - 302： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/05(火) 08:08:23.72 0 ID:
- 実写化するならせめて映像は漫画を超えるクオリティでやってもらいたい当たり前だけどIf they're turning things into live action then of course, I'd want them to make things at a high quality that would far exceed the original.
これは金ってよりセンスだと思うんだよな
I think this is more about "sense" than money.
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