Sunday, March 30, 2014

Why hasn't Arashi been able to emulate SMAP's success?



1: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 10:39:18.86 ID:d3qllQyR

TOKIOポジになりそう
I feel like they're just going to settle down in a position similar to TOKIO's 

http://up.gc-img.net/post_img/2013/02/YFDPnkzzIujVnIJ_FKmBp_2.jpeg


3: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 10:40:19.74 ID:1iT4RYo3
SMAP自体がまだ表に出まくってるからな
この辺がまず第一線から引かないと
Because SMAP are still in the frontlines.
They should first withdraw from the limelight.
4: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 10:40:45.24 ID:2lupmw8m
森君ポジがいないから
Because there's no one in Mori-kun's position

http://geinounews.mobi/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/9c2a15ee396c4dc2a821bdef6b022442.jpg
6: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 10:41:13.10 ID:241Lsgla
いい年にもなって寒い大学生みたいなノリだから
Because they're already old, yet they're still like these sad college students
49: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 10:59:22.62 ID:29L2+KPu
>>6に尽きるわ
This sums it up 
9: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 10:42:56.51 ID:riCcxhp3
歳相応のことしないのはなんでなん
もうオッサン連中なのに大学生みたいなノリの番組ばっか
I wonder why they're not doing things that are appropriate to their age.
They're all old men already, yet all they do on their programs are things like what college students would do.
11: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 10:44:59.43 ID:8fx/tfKW
>>9
ジャニーズ全般がそんなもんだろ
That's generally true for everyone in Johnny's
13: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 10:46:36.66 ID:VSd5xCu6
>>9
今のアラサーはそんなもんだからしゃーない
Most guys around 30 these days are like that, it can't be helped
12: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 10:45:51.54 ID:USgG2ddj
TOKIOのほうがまだお茶の間に浸透してるな
It seems that TOKIO are the ones who are becoming household fixtures
15: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 10:46:52.23 ID:LXvU673g
嵐ってちょっと前までかなり地味だった
印象だけどどうやってここまで人気獲得したんだ?
Arashi were just pretty plain until a while back, how did they become this popular?
27: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 10:53:11.71 ID:fQTCDHPU
>>15
松本二宮のドラマが当たったあたりから
From the point when Matsumoto's and Ninomiya's dramas became hits
16: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 10:47:26.16 ID:TFKpXyxK
ジャニーズのグループでは一番好きやな
いつまでも垢抜けない感じ
They're the group I like the most in Johnny's, especially how they seemingly aren't maturing at all
19: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 10:49:01.34 ID:XqYG0nN3
というか嵐は長年TOKIOポジだったのが突然SMAPポジになったんだよ
Rather, Arashi has always been in a position similar to TOKIO's for the longest time, yet now they're in SMAP's position.
20: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 10:49:25.30 ID:2flKhpHF
木村がいるからね
嵐って他の大御所と関わりないしな
Because Kimura's still around.
Arashi don't seem like they are related to the other huge figures in the industry.

http://cdn-ak.f.st-hatena.com/images/fotolife/i/iketerumens/20090216/20090216180631.jpg
23: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 10:51:07.72 ID:4eGU06yM
長い間空気だったのに急に出てきたよな
何が合ったんだ
They were like thin air for a long time, then they suddenly popped up.
What happened?
25: 忍法帖【Lv=7,xxxP】(1+0:12) 2013/08/30(金) 10:52:34.19 ID:vPjXtunQ
あいつらあれで30歳なんだぜ?
マルチな才能
Those guys are 30 already, you know?
They're multi-talented.
30: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 10:53:21.75 ID:XqYG0nN3
>>25
デビュー99年やし
Well, they made their debut in 1999
26: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 10:53:10.27 ID:cFWWPvv1
V6が落ち目なってカトゥーンとかNEWSとか関ジャニとか同じ世代がカスばっかで嵐持ち上げるしかなくなったからなぁ
Because V6 went on the decline, while KAT-TUN, NEWS, and Kanjani, these guys from the same generation are all shi+e, so they had no choice but to push Arashi forward.
29: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 10:53:18.52 ID:q76O6JSs
若い女の子だけでなくおばさん連中が金落としてくれるイメージ
息子の理想像みたいな感じなんだろうな
My image of them is that even the older ladies, not just the young ones, pour all their money on them.
They must seem like "ideal sons" in their eyes. 
35: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 10:54:04.67 ID:Sz7GqIUd
木村いないからな
長瀬もいない岡田もいない
国分太一が5人いるようなもん
Because there's no Kimura.
There's no Nagase. There's no Okada.
It's like having 5 Taichi Kokubuns in a group.
http://blog-imgs-57.fc2.com/g/e/i/geitsuboo/20130725031113.jpg
36: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 10:54:13.52 ID:A0um4KYp
スマップもキムタクが結婚してからようやく大人っぽさが出てきたわけやし
桜井君あたりが結婚したらええんよ
SMAP's KimuTaku finally seemed like an adult after he got married.
Sakurai-kun should also get married.
41: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 10:55:26.81 ID:8SScM5NT
嵐以外がさらにひどい。
しらんやつばっか
Everyone other than Arashi is just horrible.
I don't know any of them.
43: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 10:55:59.04 ID:XqYG0nN3
長年デビュー曲のアーラシアーラシしか知られてなかったよな
love so sweetが売れてから年間チャートの常連になったけど
The only song people knew for a long time was their debut song, A-ra-shi A-ra-shi.
Then when "Love so sweet" became a hit, they started becoming mainstays in the yearly charts.

47: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 10:57:43.55 ID:q76O6JSs
嵐より若手のゴリ押し感が醜いわ
ドラマにねじこませて顔売って、適当な曲でCD売ってるイメージ
The way Johnny's overhype the younger ones is worse, though.
They force them into dramas to make their faces popular, then sell CDs with just some random songs.
48: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 10:58:58.86 ID:HIlb1PXR
>>47
キスマイ何とかってやつ大嫌い
Like that Kis-My-something group, I loathe them
52: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 10:59:52.29 ID:XqYG0nN3
NEWS→気を付けるのは山下の一発だけ、空気
カツーン→戦犯赤西
平成ジャンプ→誰やねん
キスマイなんとか→誰やねん
NEWS→The only thing to be worried about was Yamashita's occasional killer blows, but they're still just thin air
KAT-TUN→Akanishi the goat
Hey!Say!Jump→Who the heck
Kis-My-something→Who the heck
57: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 11:00:30.63 ID:241Lsgla
>>52
ニュースはもう山下いないで
Yamashita's not in NEWS anymore
55: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 11:00:20.58 ID:Sz7GqIUd
キスマイなんとかやセクシーなんとかがテレビ出てるのは嵐を再評価させるための戦略やろ
I think having Kis-My-something and Sexy-something on TV is Johnny's strategy so that people would rate Arashi highly once again
56: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 11:00:29.77 ID:DXCvmWBA
基本劣化SMAPやねん
But they're basically just a deteriorated version of SMAP
65: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 11:02:43.83 ID:29L2+KPu
リアルでもたくさんいるな
もう30くらいなのに相変わらず大学生みたいなノリの奴
But there are a lot of 30-somethings who still act like college students in real life
67: 忍法帖【Lv=7,xxxP】(1+0:12) 2013/08/30(金) 11:02:57.68 ID:vPjXtunQ
光GENJIとかいた時代のSMAPとかってどんなんだったの?
How was SMAP when Hikaru GENJI was still around?
90: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 11:06:13.20 ID:B7ZCKAyM
>>67
バックダンサーのSMAPが光GENJIを目標にしてた
SMAP were their backup dancers and they aimed to become like Hikaru GENJI
71: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 11:03:10.82 ID:AzHJufpZ
何年か前にマジで第二のSMAPにさせようとメディア出まくってる時期があったような
There really was a time a few years ago when they were all over the media, trying to be made into the 2nd SMAP
80: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 11:04:29.58 ID:f+oqCo8X
ビストロとかで大人っぽい路線に自然な感じで変わっていったよなSMAP
SMAP just felt like they transitioned naturally into adults on their show Bistro
84: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 11:05:07.13 ID:cjAZ0AbT
思い出補正のせいかインパクトはない気がするけど、集客では完全に抜いてるよ
Arashi don't seem to have that impact, partially because of how we like to glorify our memories, but I think they've surpassed SMAP in their ability to gather crowds.
89: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 11:06:10.33 ID:i7pucDNj
SMAPは色分けされてるけど嵐はまだ個人個人の個性薄くて色々なところに手を出してるからなぁ
All members of SMAP have a defined character and personality, while each Arashi member still doesn't feel that distinguished yet individually, yet it seems that they're trying to do a lot of different things.
91: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 11:06:19.12 ID:eXTcoNHx
今は抜いたんじゃないの
全盛期の勢いで言ったら比べ物にならんけど
I think Arashi has surpassed them now.
But there's no point in comparing the momentum each one had during their respective peaks.
93: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 11:06:50.51 ID:241Lsgla
http://torendpoi.blog.so-net.ne.jp/_images/blog/_429/torendpoi/Kis-My-Ft.2.jpg


うーんこの
Uhnnn, kono
*(lit. "Uhhhm, this is..."-- pun on "unko" which means "poo")
113: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 11:09:22.83 ID:VUf64FTT
>>93
似たような髪型と顔つきで誰が誰かわからんもよう

ジャニさんの選球眼も衰えたって、ハッキリわかんだね。
They all seem to have the same hairstyle and face, I can't even distinguish who's who anymore.
You can really tell from this how much Johnny-san's eyes have deteriorated.
125: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 11:10:37.15 ID:45CImgPS
>>93
野球選手のイケメンよりすぐれば
これよりいい6、7人揃えられそう
I feel like we can gather at least 6 or 7 ikemen baseball players who are better than these guys
103: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 11:07:49.07 ID:+ZJdIIjI
嵐が不細工すぎるからごり押し枠俳優も不細工揃いになるんだよなあ
綾野とか二宮レベルの不細工やんけ
Arashi's so ugly, that's why even the overhyped actors these days are so ugly too.
Look at Gou Ayano, he's as ugly as Ninomiya.

http://taiyou-ynj.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/ayano.jpg
109: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 11:09:06.88 ID:7aY4wVeV
V6はなんで消えたんだろうな
学校へ行こうのころはすごかったのに
おからは俳優として生きていくんだろうし、
I really wonder why V6 disappeared.
They were amazing when Gakkou he ikou was still airing.
Oka and the others will probably just live on as actors.
124: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 11:10:35.74 ID:pxoTJ6Q+
>>109
そもそも売れたのが想定外やろ
They probably didn't even expect that they'd become popular in the first place
121: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 11:10:17.84 ID:KXgQ6OI3
30過ぎのおっさんに今でも小学生のファンが新規に付くのが凄い
スマのライブは完全にババアの社交場
I'm amazed though at how these 30-year-old guys still manage to get new gradeschooler fans up to now.
SMAP's concerts on the other hand are totally like a granny's watering hole.
129: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 11:11:10.50 ID:IbQc/oUp
SMAP・TOKIO・V6のオッサン2人は冬の時代乗り越えてきてるけど
それ以降のグループはなーんの苦労もしとらんからな
SMAP, TOKIO, V6's 2 old men went through hard, wintry times.
The other groups that came after them didn't have any hardships at all.
136: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 11:11:43.14 ID:pxoTJ6Q+
大正義だったタッキーと今井翼をくっつけた結果wwwwww
And the result for putting the great justice Tackey together with Tsubasa Imai was... wwwwww

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2119/2366294962_0da8c8453f.jpg
140: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 11:12:11.37 ID:mynA8ptk
嵐はちょい昔の夜中にやってた番組が最高に面白かったのに
ぐう畜スゴロクとかくっだらない実験コーナーとか
人気出てから黒歴史になっとるけどさ
But Arashi's midnight program some time ago was extremely fun.
They did stuff like crazy sugoroku and stupid experiments there.
And once they became popular, that show was treated as a past that they would rather forget.
143: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 11:12:41.52 ID:f2QYq0at
世間の全年齢に知られてるのはまだSMAPの方だよな
But SMAP is still the group that is known by all ages of the general public
151: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 11:13:38.30 ID:2flKhpHF
>>143
男は嵐のことあんま知らんしな
True, men don't really know that much about Arashi
146: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 11:13:00.08 ID:uFkyQDsw
大ヒット曲がないせいやろ
SMAPはミリオン何曲もあるのに嵐の曲なんかAKBレベルで世に浸透してない
Because they don't have a mega hit song.
SMAP has a couple of million-sellers, while Arashi's songs are similar to AKB's; they haven't exactly stuck onto the general public.
158: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 11:14:16.45 ID:f2QYq0at
>>146
まあSMAPの時代よりCD売れなくなったから仕方ない
It can't be helped, CDs now don't sell as much as they used to back in SMAP's era
150: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 11:13:07.82 ID:bYWhvwOI
SMAPってひとりひとり個性あるけど
嵐は大野以外の4人がそれほど変わらない
Each of SMAP's members have individualism.
Everyone in Arashi except for Ohno isn't that different.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-y_aVYC89ezw/UCMyUfJZoQI/AAAAAAAAEUo/eW2WXpn0bb0/s1600/smap+moment.jpg
152: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 11:13:43.91 ID:iEGZtquB
嵐は個人個人じゃ面白くないからやろ。
5人揃ってウェーイwwwwwなノリでもってるって感じ
Because Arashi don't seem fun individually.
All 5 still need to be together and go and be like: "Uweiiiiii wwwww".
http://arashi-ticket99.up.seesaa.net/image/arashi18.png
173: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 11:16:15.61 ID:FBK6fMyi
>>152
正直、紅白の司会を1人に任されない時点でな…
紅の方は女の子1人で頑張ってるのに男が5人も並んでる情けなさ
あれでファンは満足なんですかねえ…
Honestly, the moment when you can't even rely on a single member to be the host of Kouhaku, then...
To think that the Red team's side only has a single girl doing her best as the host, I find it pathetic that the White team still has 5 guys up there. Are the fans really satisfied with that?
160: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 11:14:23.50 ID:AWpTvk25
松潤をキムタク的な立ち位置にしようと必死すぎなんだよ
キムタクレベルはそういない
They're so desperate in trying to put MatsuJun in that KimuTaku position.
There aren't that many who have reached KimuTaku's level.

http://trendy.okkunism.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/img_995439_23123935_4.jpg
163: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 11:14:45.89 ID:u6n+BDql
嵐が国民的アイドルって言われるのが未だにしっくり来ないけど関ジャニが名乗るのだけは許せない
格というものが
It still doesn't feel right when Arashi are called national idols, but I can't forgive Kanjani for calling themselves that.
There's still this thing called class.
177: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 11:16:25.08 ID:pxoTJ6Q+
>>163
関ジャニも廃品セット売りやろ レコード会社もテイチクやし
大倉なんかは確実にグループの色から浮いてるし

本人たちも関西ジャニーズは本流じゃないこと理解してるから色々必死
Kanjani's just a set of scrap being sold together, right? Their recording company is Teichiku after all.
Look at Okura, he stands out too much from the rest of the group.
I think they even realize that Kansai-Johnny's isn't mainstream so they're desperate.
169: 忍法帖【Lv=7,xxxP】(1+0:12) 2013/08/30(金) 11:15:37.37 ID:vPjXtunQ
SMAPもあと10年もすれば老人やで
SMAP will be treated as elderly already in 10 years time.
182: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 11:17:03.12 ID:f2QYq0at
>>169
中年隊も頑張ってることやし
But Chuunentai are still giving their best
(Chuunen = middle age)
178: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 11:16:26.58 ID:DYBNJBoi
SMAPにはキムタクがいた 嵐にはキムタクがいなかった
Because SMAP has KimuTaku, while Arashi doesn't have KimuTaku.
203: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 11:19:28.78 ID:iz6qXB+F
SMAPの曲はどれも聞いたことあるけど嵐は聞いてもわからん
All of SMAP's songs sound familiar, while I don't know any of Arashi's songs
212: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 11:21:02.86 ID:pxoTJ6Q+
>>203
ARASHIとlove so sweetはそこそこじゃないかな
I think Arashi's "Love so sweet" was modestly popular
211: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 11:20:56.80 ID:f2QYq0at
キンキキッズも人気低下したな一時すごい人気あったのに
一時ってだいぶ前だけど

SMAPの後にこれっていうグループ居ないな
Even KinKi Kids who had tremendous popularity at one point have also declined.
But that one point was such a long time ago.
I don't think there's a group that makes you say, "This is it!", after SMAP.

http://stat17.privet.ru/lr/091ecef0de945a35b6be55f6286d1bda
213: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 11:21:06.62 ID:dW9cC1T9
キスマイセクシーゾーン平成ジャンプNYCが次世代のジャニーズか
So Kis-My, Sexy Zone, Heysay Jump, and NYC are Johnny's next generation, huh
218: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 11:21:48.56 ID:pxoTJ6Q+
>>213
格落ち具合やべえよな
Whoah @ the drop in level
214: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 11:21:18.89 ID:4kAt+hvZ
なんだかんだでキムタクだな
全盛期はえげつなかった
Whatever anyone says, it still boils down to KimuTaku's existence.
His peak in particular was just plain ruthless.

215: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 11:21:22.14 ID:d3qllQyR
SAMPは全員集まったらおおってなるけど
嵐はならんよね
というかいつも一緒にいる
You'd be amazed when all 5 members of SMAP gather together, but that's not the case with Arashi.
Rather, all 5 of them are together all the time.
222: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 11:22:10.96 ID:pxoTJ6Q+
>>215
わかる
I feel ya.
229: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 11:22:59.07 ID:cKiiUU3X
>>215
単体で個性出せるのが大野だけ
Ohno's the only one who can express his individualism when he's alone
220: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 11:21:51.06 ID:2GnDWJ9s
レギュラー番組の面白さが全然違う
The fun factor of their regular shows is totally different
223: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 11:22:13.76 ID:HvhYARTm
嵐の代表曲って何?
So what is Arashi's most popular song?
239: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 11:24:31.31 ID:5X8oX2z3
>>223
Love so sweet じゃないの?
鼻より団子の
結婚式とかでよく歌われてるらしいし
I think it's "Love so sweet", right?
From Hana Yori Dango.
I heard it's being sang a lot at wedding ceremonies.
233: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 11:23:17.26 ID:ceYG6O9Q
なんか30の割にはガキっぽい感じがどうもな
I'm not digging the vibe that they're still like kids even though they're already 30
250: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 11:27:11.63 ID:+MUxZ37W
嵐の「俺、お笑いわかってるでしょ」的なノリ
The way Arashi acts like: "We know comedy, right?"
255: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 11:28:34.15 ID:f2QYq0at
>>250
それはSMAPも散々言われてたで
スマップつーかキンキトキオV6全部
That's also what they used to say about SMAP.
Not just SMAP, but KinKi, TOKIO, V6.. everyone.
258: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 11:29:40.49 ID:45CImgPS
よくよく考えると男のアイドルって
ジャニーズしかおらへんな
女はモー娘やらAKBやらあるのに


これは大変なことやろ
When you think about it, Johnny's are the only male idols here.
Girls have MoMusu, AKB, and the rest though.

This is a huge problem.
260: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 11:30:06.66 ID:XqYG0nN3
>>258
韓流がおるやん
Well, there's Hallyu
264: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 11:30:49.09 ID:241Lsgla
>>258
w-inds(小声)
w-inds (faint voice)
278: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 11:33:57.83 ID:iEGZtquB
>>258
EXILEとか?
What about EXILE?
287: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 11:36:26.36 ID:FRSwMbU0
>>258
w-inds.ってのがいてだな
There's this group w-inds., you know

http://w-indswat.up.269g.net/image/w-inds.115B15D.jpg
262: 忍法帖【Lv=7,xxxP】(1+0:12) 2013/08/30(金) 11:30:29.52 ID:vPjXtunQ
ジャニーが死ねば業界大激変するやろな
The industry will probably make a drastic change once Johnny-san kicks the bucket

http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/janisoku12/imgs/5/1/5109c0bf.jpg
263: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 11:30:33.52 ID:/vwA4zvZ
ジ ャ ニ ー ズ 衰 退 戦 犯 滝 沢 秀 明
これがパッとしなかったせいで嵐押さなアカンかった
The biggest reason for Johnny's decline is Hideaki Takizawa.
Arashi had to be pushed because this guy didn't make it big.
265: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 11:31:21.93 ID:XqYG0nN3
>>263
顔だけじゃスターになれない
はっきりわかんだね
You can't become a star with just your face.
He made that fact obvious.
295: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 11:38:05.17 ID:R3TL2dw1
>>263
いやキンキやろ
なんかおかしな方向に進んで急激に勢い落ちていったけど一時期はすげー人気あったし歌もよかった
Nah, it's KinKi.
They just went on a weird path and lost momentum despite being hugely popular at one point. They also had good songs.
289: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 11:36:45.95 ID:cvxAyP5Z
木村の不在やろなあ
Because of the absence of Kimura
292: 風吹けば名無し 2013/08/30(金) 11:37:41.40 ID:E3B5kGZa
SMAPは芸能界のトップに立った
嵐は所詮ジャニーズのトップに立っただけ

その差よ
SMAP were able to stand on top of the entire showbiz world.
Arashi were only able to stand on top within Johnny's.

That's the difference.




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