これ聞いたけどイマイチパクリと思わないようなのばっかなんだが
もっと酷いパクリに慣れてるからやろか
I listened to this one but most of these don't sound ripped off to me.
Must be because I'm used to worse, more blatant rip-offs.
I immediately recognized Ishin Denshin's similarities to Dr. Mario
Dr. Mario seriously just sounds like Dr. Mario
That's just called "arrangement" (trembling voice)
Conversely, don't you actually think it's amazing that they turned that Dr. Mario music into a song? w
I don't think they'd be bashed as much if they came out in this generation
そういうスタンスのバンドとしてきちんと評価されるべきだったのに馬鹿が大量に叩きはじめた
They were already copying on purpose, what with the title "Locolotion".
They were a band with that kind of stance and should've been recognized for that, but then tons of stupid people started bashing them left and right.
- 24: 風吹けば名無し 2013/10/21 00:54:30 ID:j3H9E5X6
- >>13そういう方向で嫌われないようにするのも大事な事だからな
菅野よう子みたいに盗作しまくりな奴でもオタクの教祖になれば国内では何も言われないし
If they were taking that kind of stance, then it's also important for them to be more careful so people won't hate them.
Take a look at Yoko Kanno. She's been plagiarizing music all the time, but since she's like the religious leader of otakus, no one's even saying stuff about her.
ただ許可を得てなかっただけ
You can't call "Locolotion" plagiarism, that's more like "sampling".
They just didn't get permission.
They just stood out too much.
It may be called plagiarizing, but I think they still have talent for being able to compose catchy songs like that
One's view of them will change once they get to listen to the album
Most of the things that become popular are being accused of plagiarizing something else
- 27: 風吹けば名無し 2013/10/21 00:55:54 ID:Kx63d9hb
- >>26ビートルズですらパクリ言われるしな
Even the Beatles were accused of plagiarism
I think they're just enjoying their lives since they've already amassed quite an amount
It seems that Orange Range are being considered good again because of how horrible Japanese music is these days.
- 40: 風吹けば名無し 2013/10/21 00:57:31 ID:uvblpk9l
- >>35あと10年もしたらAKBも曲自体は良かったとか言われてるよ
People will start talking about how good AKB's songs are in 10 years time
People make fun of them, but their melodies are actually quite nice
I just think that they should change their stance once the guys they copied from directly file a complaint
アレンジの範疇としては認められなかったのがアカンかったな
They did say that it's all about ripping off stuff.
Their downfall was that it wasn't categorized as "arrangements".
You can't call that sampling. It was clearly ripping off with malicious intent. Of course they'd be criticized for that.
But even before talking about plagiarism, why the heck were people praising them despite that bad singing and playing?
- 66: 風吹けば名無し 2013/10/21 01:01:22 ID:Kx63d9hb
- >>54歌詞も下品だったな
それでゴールデンの歌番組でキャーキャー言われとったってのは今考えると謎やな
Even their lyrics were vulgar.
It really was a mystery how people went ga-ga over them during prime time programs.
- 68: 風吹けば名無し 2013/10/21 01:01:49 ID:Dd6FPbsI
- >>54でもカラオケじゃ盛り上がったで
パクリと言うけどそのオリジナルを歌っても盛り上がらんで。
But karaoke sessions were really lively with their songs.
Even if you sing the original which they plagiarized, it wouldn't liven up the place that much.
なにをぱくってるか何も気付かないワイ
比較動画はめんどいからみない
I played quite a lot of Dr. Mario, but I never noticed what they copied from that.
The comparison videos too troublesome so I haven't watched it.
メロディーが良かった
I used to like Orange Range's songs.
Their melodies were good.
Their presence really was amazing at one point.
Now they've just disappeared, as if everything was a lie.
http://blog-imgs-60-origin.fc2.com/s/a/f/safarina/1052.jpg
バンドやってる男ってジメジメしたのが多い中こいつらは爽やかだったもん
Honestly, I think Orange Range would still be popular if they came out now -- even if they were still in their early days.
There are a lot of dark and gloomy men who played in bands, but these guys were really pleasant.
印象は最悪や
They ripped off, got charged, settled it out of court, and then suddenly said it was a cover.
That gave them the worst image.
They even made the title sound like the original, so it's too much if you start calling them rip-offs
- 110: 風吹けば名無し 2013/10/21 01:10:31 ID:Gqc+cmgW
- >>98最初に許可貰わんといかん
たいてい怒る
You need to ask for permission first.
Most would get mad.
Rip-off aside, they left strong impacts with their memorable melodies and their lyrics without messages combined with the horrible singing voice and interesting sound. They must've actually been an amazing group, in a sense.
DQNくさいラップ調ばっかだったしただの音楽グループかとばかり思ってたわ
Can you even consider Orange Range as a band?
I always thought they were just some musical group who sounded like delinquents rapping.
They rapped and called themselves MCs, so even the hip-hop crowd dissed them
薄っぺらくエンターテイメント性のみを追求してるもんな
People who are serious with music hate them.
They were only going for entertainment value with their cheapness.
- 130: 風吹けば名無し 2013/10/21 01:12:55 ID:9SQyW9S4
- >>118つか中途半端な音楽の聞き方してるやつほど叩いてた印象
My impression is that the guys who listened to half-a$$ed music were the ones who bashed them
音大出てるシンガーソングライターなんてほとんどいないのにあんなに何曲もいい曲作れるわけない
But it's not like ORANGE RANGE were the only group who plagiarized.
There are almost no singer/songwriters you hear of who came from music universities, yet look how some of the ones we have are been coming up with all these good songs one after another.
- 131: 風吹けば名無し 2013/10/21 01:12:57 ID:ejCdUYli
- >>123そういうファンの開き直りが嫌われる原因の一つなんやろうな
And one more factor why these artists are hated is because of this sort of defiant attitude taken by fans
どう違うかいまだに分からない
People say you can imitate the chord progression but not the melody, but I still don't get the difference up to now.
- 161: 風吹けば名無し 2013/10/21 01:17:40 ID:+BOdbHI/
- >>127コードは今更独自の進行も糞もない感じやけどメロは独自のが作られ続けてるからなあ
There aren't anymore original chord progressions these days, but original melodies are constantly being composed
手のひら返しすぎやろ
I hate how they're being recognized again these days.
People are too fickle-minded.
- 154: 風吹けば名無し 2013/10/21 01:17:07 ID:8icXNpjo
- >>128手のひら返しというより当時中学生やった奴らが2chするようになって評価してるだけやろ
I don't think that people are fickle minded.
I think that the Jr. high kids who liked them back then all grew up and started going to 2ch to praise them.
多分フリッパーズギターとかオザケンとかはレンジと同じ時代なら同じくらい叩かれてたと思う。キャラがうざいから
スピッツとかは結構パクリあるけどまぁ叩かれないのは、キャラがうざくないからやな
If there are different artists who plagiarize, the difference in their character must be what separates the ones who get criticized from the ones who don't. I think that The Flipper's Guitar and Kenji Ozawa would've been bashed as much if they came out during the same time as Range, since they've all got annoying characters.
Even Spitz has a lot of rip-offs, but they're not being criticized because, well, they're not annoying.
http://art62.photozou.jp/pub/318/2020318/photo/139026422_624.jpg
ワンオクも人気かも知れんがキャッチー感がないから今の人気が去ったら忘れ去られそうや
I do find it amazing how Orange Range's songs are so catchy and memorable.
ONE OK may be popular now, but they're not that catchy, and once their populairty passes, I think people will forget about them.
オレンジレンジのは露骨すぎだけど
Plagiarism has been around since the time of the Beatles so there's no more point in making noise about it. Orange Range was just too blatant.
I liked all the songs in their album MUSIQ
http://www.geocities.jp/ninaomba_safari_njema/orangerange.musiq.jpg
- 164: 風吹けば名無し 2013/10/21 01:18:15 ID:4B/sucD8
- >>141わかる
中古で100円で投げ売りされてるから今度買おうかな
I get you.
Used copies are only being sold now for 100 yen so maybe I'll buy that.
嫉妬運命
They were popular, hence they were bashed.
Fate of those whom people become jealous of.
メッセージ性も何もないのがいい
I did like how they didn't have any sort of messages in their songs, and it seemed like these youngsters tried to live life to the fullest during their youth.
売れたバンドのなかで一番下手くそちゃうか
It's impressive how they became that popular despite being really technically bad.
Aren't they technically the worst band ever to become popular?
- 159: 風吹けば名無し 2013/10/21 01:17:30 ID:uvblpk9l
- >>151それは絶対そうやな
ボーカルが壊滅的にヘタ
だからカラオケで歌いやすいのかも
Most likely so.
The vocals are just flat out horrible.
That's probably why their songs are easy to sing on karaoke.
そこを暗黙の了解でやってたのに本人たちがパクってますなんて公に言っちゃったから音楽業界から嫌われたんだろう
When you try to make a song that sells, you'd eventually wind up with similar chord progressions so everything sounds the same. That was like an unwritten law within the music industry, but these guys went out in the open and said "We copy stuff", which is probably why they're hated.
ただ今のメインストリームの音楽シーンが壊滅的状況だからこんなんでも回顧されるだけ
Orange Range was horrible.
It's just that the current mainstream music scene is in such a catastrophic state, that even a band like this is being reminisced.
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