マジで!? MAJI DE!?: SMAP's 50th single "JOY!!" compared to AKB's selling method

Tuesday, July 9, 2013

SMAP's 50th single "JOY!!" compared to AKB's selling method

1：発狂くんφ ★ 2013/07/03(水) 12:50:25.94 ID:???0

SMAP's 50th single JOY!! (Victor Entertainment) was released on June 5 and sold around 300,000 units in its first week.
This is double the number from their previous single Mistake!/Battery released in February.

Joy!! is available in 5 editions (Vivid Orange, Lime Green, Sky Blue, Shocking Pink, Lemon Yellow), each edition having different content. All 5 will cost \7,355.

The CD also includes a lottery ticket which gives the winner a chance to attend a fan meeting event for the recently concluded drama Kasuka na Kanojo, which starred Shingo Katori, as well as a serial code which you can enter in to win some goods that are not for sale in their 50! for SMAP! campaign.

Some comments from SMAP fans:
"We didn't want SMAP to resort to something like this."
"They're starting to sell cheap."
"The lottery method is similar to the Hallyu idols, and this entire method is worse than how AKB sells their CDs."

Now that the CD sales figures don't hold any meaning anymore, thanks to AKB, we should get rid of our notion that Ranking = Popularity.

http://image.news.livedoor.com/newsimage/b/b/bbe38_105_fb217cd7_397966b5.jpg

http://news.livedoor.com/article/detail/7821460

8：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 12:54:12.83 ID:MAdlAeiA0

国民的アイドル(笑)

National idols (LOL)

9：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 12:54:35.59 ID:4kiRm5zd0

5種類あるんだったら、初動売上30万を5で割って6万が5つってカウントしないと変じゃない？

内容も違うみたいだし

いや、平均的に売れてるかどうか知らないから6万じゃないとは思うけど

If there are 5 different versions, then shouldn't they divide the 300,000 by 5, meaning 60,000x5?
The contents are different anyway. Well, it's not exactly 60,000 since I'm sure that not all 5 versions are selling at a similar rate.

14：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 12:57:14.29 ID:9EtiI79U0: >>9

オリコンは纏めてだけど種類別にカウントしてるランキングもあるよ
Oricon seems to have added them all up, but they also counted the sales individually per type

11：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 12:56:10.59 ID:jboWWCEj0

出ない額じゃないが精神的に来そうだな。ファン減らすだけ。

It's not an amount that one can't shell out, but it'll just take its toll mentally. The fans will just keep decreasing.

16：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 12:57:41.86 ID:tTmJ2ZtwT

妙にAKBと番組多いなと思ったらこういう事か

SMAPも落ちたもんだ

I was wondering why they've been appearing a lot with AKB on TV, so this is it huh. SMAP sure have fallen.

http://daily-akb48.com/img/Post/1386/image.jpg

20：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 12:58:13.20 ID:oSceBG1j0

悪質か？

全く同じCDを5,6枚買って捨てるより

別パッケージを複数買った方がいいだろ？

Is it an evil method?
Don't you think buying different variations is much better than buying 5, 6 copies of the exact same thing?

29：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:01:11.40 ID:mzlGmc+w0: >>20

それは言えてる
I guess you could say that

38：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:04:01.42 ID:gCh7B4aqO: >>20

５枚は残るかも知らんが、抽選券のためにダブって買ったのは同じ運命。

しかも５枚違う内容だから、純粋に曲を楽しみたい人も５枚買わないとコンプできない悪質さ。
It's evil because the 5 have different contents, which means that the people who want to enjoy the songs need to collect them all.

24：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:00:15.80 ID:o9ATL46SO

ビクターは昔から結構えげつない。

十年くらい前にサザンのアルバムで色違い仕様(10種以上)とかやってたし。

もちろんAKBとかよりはるか前

Victor's evil methods goes all the way back in the day.
They even sold 10 different color variants for the Southern All Stars.
Of course, that was way before AKB started doing this.

128：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:32:09.15 ID:wrpBLYtL0: >>24

それサザンじゃなくてSMAPのベスト盤
That wasn't SAS, that was SMAP's 'Best of' album.

27：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:00:55.69 ID:2NgX+oTG0

＞AKB48によってCDセールス数の意味が失われてしまった今、「ランキング＝人気」という先入観を取り払う必要があるのかもしれない。

さらっと秋元康に毒吐いてるなｗｗｗ

> Now that the CD sales figures don't hold any meaning anymore, thanks to AKB, we should get rid of our notion that Ranking = Popularity.

How smooth of them to bash Yasushi Akimoto like that LOLOLOL

43：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:05:07.82 ID:xuuH3iZY0: >>27

それに関してのみ言えばとっくに意味が失われていたからこそあんな売り方が生まれたんじゃないかな
I think rankings already lost their meaning a long time ago, and that's why this kind of sales method was born.

32：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:01:30.31 ID:8v1erOBL0

売上ランキングなんて消費者は気にしたらダメ

でもこの売り方は引くわー

俺ならファンやめるレベル

The consumers shouldn't be concerned about these sales rankings.
But this method sure is a turn-off.
This is on a level that would make me quit being a fan if I were one.

http://p.twpl.jp/show/large/HuQs9

34：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:02:20.66 ID:N6g6mxUJ0

悪質な売り方だ

買う買わないの決定権は消費者にある。

よって、問題ないぞ。

This is really evil.
But the consumers have the right to buy, or not to buy.
Therefore, there's no problem with this.

35：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:02:59.40 ID:LUXCFvx20

そこまでして30万枚ってむしろひどいんじゃないの？w
SMAPなんて完全に終わってるじゃんw
Don't you think that 300,000 is a horrible figure even if they did something to that extent? LOL
SMAP's totally finished.

36：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:03:03.93 ID:MAdlAeiA0

買うのはどうせオバサンだが一番の被害者はせっせと働いた金をそんな事に使われてる旦那連中。
The ones who are buying are the old grannies, but the biggest victims here are the husbands who had to work hard and see the money that they earned be used for that purpose.

42：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:05:02.17 ID:SnKUzTVD0

ふかわりょうさん、SMAPにも説教お願いしますよ
Mr. Ryo Fukawa, please teach SMAP a lesson as well (related post HERE)

53：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:09:26.90 ID:7J1+5bSH0

みじめなことになったなSMAP
SMAP sure have become pitiable

54：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:09:27.34 ID:RCgdgR97i

嵐なんてこんなことしなくても3倍は売れるね
Arashi doesn't even need to do this, and they'd sell 3x more

http://pic.prepics-cdn.com/arashitv/21630512.jpeg

55：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:09:59.41 ID:OAS+IGZU0

収録曲が違うのに同じCDとして扱う・・・って何かおかしくないか？
ジャケが違うとか、おまけが多い程度なら分かるけど
The songs are different, but it's treated as one CD... Don't you think that's weird?
I'd understand it if it had different covers or different freebies.

59：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:11:02.07 ID:jPCVjiLIO

握手券、抽選券、特典DVDは興味あるやつだけ買えば良いだろって感じで
音楽自体に興味あるやつは買わずにスルー出来る話だけど
カップリング曲を分けられると失望覚えるなあ
Those who are interested can just buy the ones with handshake passes, lottery tickets, DVDs, and other what-nots.
The people who are only interested in the music can just ignore this, but when they split off the B-sides like this, as a fan you'd feel disappointed.

60：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:11:18.50 ID:+fkGjdTM0

ＡＫＢが悪質なのは前提なんだなｗその通りだけど
They wrote the article with the premise that "AKB is evil" LOL
But that's exactly the case.

62：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:13:26.95 ID:Rd559kP7T

まあジャニーズは嵐がいるから安心でしょ
嵐はももクロ寄りな所も賢い
Johnny's has Arashi so they can still feel relieved.
And it's a smart move that Arashi are more inclined towards MomoClo.

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQVes1yOgFQE_47sqYMBP06Oa4EzEzUsqQr_wy_FSeHWbEpGaQDWw

63：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:13:34.45 ID:51kKhE9L0

嵐はほとんどの曲（20作以上）がカップリング違いの複数商法なのに
叩かれなくて羨ましい
スマップは５０曲中その商法使ったのは今作入れて３作だけなのに
I'm envious of Arashi. Almost all of their songs (over 20) are also sold using varying B-sides but no one's bashing them.
SMAP on the other hand has only applied this method to 3 of their 50 songs, including this one.

70：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:17:21.94 ID:erxSpN0y0

一度始めちゃうと止められなくなるんだよな
小銭のために残念すぎる・・
You won't be able to stop this once you start it.
How miserable, just for the sake of earning chump change.

71：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:18:06.78 ID:+HoAFGWu0

いやエ□ゲなんて売る店舗によって特典が違うんだぜ。
Adult games have different freebies depending on the shop you buy them from

http://p.twpl.jp/show/large/aAHxn

110：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:27:42.72 ID:WutoFO4f0: >>71
ゲーム自体は違法DLして発売前にクリアしてテレカ1枚のために8800円（税別）を複数買いだもんな
凄い世界だったね
But those games are downloaded illegally before they even go on sale. You finish them then go buy numerous copies of the game (\8,800) for the sake of 1 telephone card. That's an amazing world they have there.

73：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:18:36.29 ID:5z/+rI+L0

そもそも曲がクソだよな。
But the song itself is shi+e.

79：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:19:14.92 ID:mP2CLLfBP

カップリングがちがうのは
別シングルとして集計すべきだよ
For those that have different B-sides, they should be counted as a different single.

80：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:19:24.71 ID:WEHCID2F0

でもこれ5枚買えば済むんだろ？
AKBのバカヲタはひとりで同じモンを1000枚とか買うから比較にならん
But you just have to buy one copy of each of the 5 editions, right?
One AKB baka-wota will buy 1,000 copies of the exact same thing so you can't compare them.

87：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:20:55.50 ID:I4wLYrqwT: >>80
そんなのほんの一握りだけ
それも握手券つけて売れないチョンやアイドルがいるわけで。

規模関係なく複数商法やること自体恥
Those kinds of people are only a handful.
And there are also the unpopular gooks and idols who throw in handshake passes.

The scale here is irrelevant, this kind of selling method in itself is a disgrace.

89：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:21:02.29 ID:51kKhE9L0

小銭のためというより５０作目だから記念だよ
２０１０年に一度３種で売ってからはまたしばらく１種だったし
サザン復活でビクターもSMAPに頼らなくてよくなるから次はまた１種に戻るだろ
They're not doing it for "chump change", it's because they're celebrating their 50th single.
Yeah, they sold 3 different versions back in 2010 but they returned to selling just 1 version for a while.
And Victor doesn't have to rely on SMAP alone anymore since the Southern All Stars are back, so they'll probably sell just 1 version the next time around. (Related post HERE)

http://gaku01.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/8c48fdfe177d816921d27870f7435142.jpg

98：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:23:18.35 ID:RI5eZm7ZO

これは、ミニアルバムにすべきだろ。
They should have made this into a mini album

99：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:23:39.36 ID:2NgX+oTG0

ジャニオタの支出はCDだけではない
ライブ遠征費、出演ドラマのDVD、さらに映画館には何度も通い
金持ちじゃないと務まらない
CDs aren't the only things Jani-wotas spend their money on.
Travel expenses for their concerts, drama DVDs, and they also have to watch their movies over and over again.
You can't be a Jani-wota if you're not rich.

105：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:25:41.91 ID:oSceBG1j0

SMAPのファンって曲はキチンと聞いてないだろ？

発売のイベントに参加すること自体が目的で
「音楽を聞こう」とは思ってないだろ？
Do SMAP fans even listen to their songs?
Don't they just want to join the events and don't even bother to listen to the songs?

112：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:27:55.69 ID:51kKhE9L0

最新シングルのカップリング曲数
（バックトラック、リミックスは除く）

AKB　5曲
嵐　3曲
SMAP　2曲
関ジャニ　4曲

SMAPは２曲を５種類に水増しするんだからビクターはいい根性してるw
The number of original B-sides for the latest single
(backing tracks and remix versions excluded)

AKB - 5 songs
Arashi - 3 songs
SMAP - 2 songs
Kanjani - 4 songs

SMAP just forcefully increased these 2 songs into 5 types, Victor sure has guts.

113：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:28:14.72 ID:3tTZEZtD0

ここ最近異様にファンサービスというか
接触OKにしてるしなw
四十路にもなるとアイドルも生き残りに必死さ
Their fan service has changed a lot recently. Rather, they're now approving the fans to come closer to them. Idols sure become desperate for survival once they're in their 40s.

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQSpbFBYyd8qEkq2gp96zVpe1rsEyqk7v3UIHiGpXGcDJ334NQaBA

119：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:29:36.60 ID:Dg0Dp7dpO

嵐もやってるじゃん
売上２０万くらいＵＰしたやん
But Arashi did this too, and thanks to that, their sales increased by around 200,000.

140：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:36:14.38 ID:ziRmHBJQ0: >>119
5種売りでこんな売り方ないぞ嘘はよくない
They didn't sell 5 editions like this, don't lie.

121：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:30:26.71 ID:51kKhE9L0

SMAPはいまだに３０万も売れるってすごいよね
４０歳で５種類出してそんなに買ってもらえるアイドル歴史上いない
多分これからもいない
４０歳だよ
But SMAP is amazing for still being able to sell 300,000 copies.
There's no idol in history who are already in their 40s, who are able to come out with 5 versions of one single and still sell that much.
And I don't think there will be another one either.
They're 40!

http://livedoor.4.blogimg.jp/jin115/imgs/e/b/eb918148.png

124：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:31:05.40 ID:cmUAZp9U0

他のヤツだって3種くらいまではやってるだろ
50枚記念で5種ってだけだよ
Even the other groups are selling 3 versions. It's just that they have 5 versions for their 50th single.

126：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:31:39.59 ID:51kKhE9L0

握手商法とカップリング違い商法を混同して叩くからおかしい

握手ならAKBだけ叩いてればすむが
カップリング違いはPerfume以外の全てのアイドルがやってるよ

嵐なんて2010年以来カップリング違い商法やらなかったことないよ
それ以前からやってたけどw
It's weird that people who seem to be thinking that handshake passes and B-side variants are the same are bashing them.

You can bash AKB all you want because of those handshake passes, but all other idols except for Perfume are selling multiple singles with different B-sides.

Even Arashi sold multiple singles with different B-sides everytime since 2010. They also did that before.

131：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:33:03.61 ID:cmUAZp9U0: >>126
そうAKBという言葉が入ってるからわけもわからず反応してるけど複数売りはもうみんなやってる
True, everyone just started reacting because they saw AKB in the article, but everyone else is selling their CDs with different B-sides.

138：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:35:48.48 ID:JGO97bkUP

先制攻撃したAKBが悪質だろ。
１か国が核兵器を持ったら、他の国も持たなければならなくなるのと同じ。
The evil AKB's at fault for starting this.
It's similar to one country having nuclear weapons, which gives the need for the other countries to have their own nuclear weapons as well.

148：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:38:04.01 ID:4Y/YmpRw0

嵐って前に500円CDシングル出してなかったっけ？
Didn't Arashi come out with a \500 CD single before?

153：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:39:51.16 ID:XfQvuU1z0: >>148
ＡＫＢに負けて酷い売り方してたよ
They did something horrible like that when they lost to AKB

152：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:39:50.39 ID:GzU2+FvKi

ももクロはアルバムで
３種形態で販売して
出荷は70万枚だったが
売上は20万枚だったよ
MomoClo's album was sold in 3 different variations.
They shipped 700,000 copies but only sold 200,000.

162：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:42:41.88 ID:H9y1cA+30

たけしと坂本龍一がいってたけど

一人がこういうことをやると、
みんなそっちのほうへいっちゃうんだって
それが危険だと。
Takeshi and Ryuichi Sakamoto once said:
Once one person starts doing it, everyone else will do the same.
That's what makes it dangerous.

http://hochi.yomiuri.co.jp/photo/20130115-832714-1-L.jpg

173：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:45:36.68 ID:IVcDgpFMO

嵐に負けてから必死だよな
CD総売上もライブ動員数も抜かされそうだし
SMAP's become desperate after losing to Arashi.
At this rate, it looks like Arashi will even surpass them in the total CD sales as well as the concert ticket sales.

178：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:46:34.67 ID:3+qrfVs1I

今更だけど、カップリング曲違いでも同じCD扱いか
一方、内容が全く同じでも、別のCD扱いとしてカウントする例もあるらしいし
基準はクリアなほうがいいと思うけどね
So it's still treated as the same CD even when there are B-side variants?And I think that there are even special cases in which 2 different CDs with the same content are counted separately. I think they should clarify the grounds first.

184：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:47:40.44 ID:DDzK8gauO

マジな話
今CD売上上位でマトモな売り方してるの嵐くらいだよ
AKBもスマップもEXILEも酷い売り方で売上水増しに必死だし
そういう時代なんだろう
Seriously speaking, among the CDs currently at the top of the rankings, I think Arashi's the only one selling their CDs properly.
AKB, SMAP, EXILE, all of these groups are using evil methods to desperately add a few more figures to what they're supposed to be selling.
Must be the turn of the times.

192：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:49:20.93 ID:cmUAZp9U0: >>184
確かに嵐は今一番購買層が大きくて、何もしなくても売れる時期
こういう時期は無理しない方がいい、嵐の選択は正解
これが落ちてくると工夫もするだろう
I think so too that Arashi currently has the biggest consumer base, and they can still move units even when they do nothing.
They shouldn't be pushing themselves, so Arashi's choice is correct.
They're probably going to come up with other means when this drops.

196：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:50:48.82 ID:51kKhE9L0: >>184
嵐は映像違い２種類にカップリング曲違い３種類の複数売りなのに

なぜ嵐だけマトモな売り方？理解に苦しむ

繰り返す
嵐は映像違い２種類にカップリング曲違い３種類の複数売りなのに
But Arashi has 2 different video versions and different coupling song versions which makes it a total of 3 different versions. You're saying that Arashi is the only group selling their CDs properly? I can't seem to comprehend.

I repeat,
But Arashi has 2 different video versions and different coupling song versions which makes it a total of 3 different versions.

188：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:48:37.16 ID:+X18MxUJ0

akbがCDのオマケの方を主軸にCD売るシステムを成功させちまったのが元凶だろうな。もう曲なんてほぼどうでもよくなっている。
AKB is the root of all evil since they had success with selling based not on the actual song but on the extras that came with it. It seems that people don't care about the songs anymore.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BMOjpaICQAAmfWi.jpg

211：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:55:21.87 ID:XbhRUC32O

今どきSMAPのファンてまだいるの？
Does SMAP still have fans?

236：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 14:04:24.58 ID:rI6jJbxYO: >>211
いてるからこれだけ売れてるんだよ
アンチは叩くだけで現状を見えないから。
Of course, that's why they can still sell this much.
The haters just can't face reality and just keep on bashing them.

212：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:55:45.28 ID:erxSpN0y0

オリコンが一番ダメなのかもな
特典付CDは音楽CDとして扱わないっていうのにしてほしい
I think Oricon is the one at fault here.
I hope they don't count CDs with freebies as CDs.

220：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:56:57.42 ID:ljN546kLO

ほんと歌が下手な40のおっさん達がアイドルっていう時点で痛々しいのに、SMAPはまだこんなに売れるんですアピ必死すぎwww

特典に釣られてオタが買い漁ってるだけなのに
Some 40-year-olds who sing bad and are still passing off as idols is pathetic in itself, and the way they're so desperate in trying to prove a point that they can still sell this much is just... LOL
It's just their wotas buying all the CDs because of the freebies.

221：名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:57:02.38 ID:0/y3Th/gT