マジで!? MAJI DE!?: How come TOKIO's sales have always been poor?

Friday, July 12, 2013

How come TOKIO's sales have always been poor?

1：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 11:43:57.40 ID:YSVybuJc

ジャニの中では珍しく2ちゃんではそこそこ評価されてる方なのに
To think that they're one of the very few Johnny's talents who are accepted on 2channel

http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/54855061/TOKIO.jpg

2：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 11:44:50.62 ID:b7WHb5St

十分売れてるだろ

They're selling enough

5：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 11:47:09.47 ID:L8hTDJrF: >>2

最近の売り上げはジャニの中で下の方やぞ
But their recent sales are near the bottom within Johnny's

3：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 11:44:51.70 ID:L8hTDJrF

TOKIOは好きだけどCDを買う気にはならない

I like TOKIO but I never felt like buying their CDs

6：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 11:48:01.20 ID:TS/WRa8t

TOKIOはまだ世間から認知されてる方やろ

V６とか完全に忘れられとる

岡田と井ノ原しかしらんのとかおるんちゃうか

But TOKIO is still well known by the public.
I think V6 is completely forgotten about.
There might even be people who only know about Okada and Inohara.

http://contents.innolife.net/mobile/img/item/113117_l.jpg

7：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 11:48:11.45 ID:EHekwMO2

TOKIOってDASHで肉体労働が本業で歌は副業やろ

But TOKIO are mainly blue collar workers in DASH, while singing is their sideline (related post HERE)

http://file.trueindividual.ni-moe.com/120213_1.jpg

8：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 11:48:14.05 ID:WijZS540

2ちゃんで評価されてる←アカン

Accepted on 2chan <- Uh-oh, not good

9：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 11:48:27.82 ID:QDo4Wmbc

ファンが少ないからだろ

2chは基本的にマイノリティ側の味方だし

Because they don't have too many fans.
2chan basically takes sides with the minority.

11：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 11:49:18.01 ID:lrvtp/dP

別にこの歳でこれ以上売れたいとか思ってないやろ

I don't think they're thinking of selling more at this age

13：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 11:49:58.04 ID:z2/OtKVV

松岡はTOKIOの和を乱すゲス野郎

Matsuoka is a scumbag who ruins the serenity within TOKIO (related post HERE)

http://jmania.jp/jblog/files/2011/09/matsuokamasahiro05.jpg

19：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 11:50:59.87 ID:EEGNcpFU: >>13

だがそれがいい（ニヤニヤ
But that's what's good (grins)

23：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 11:51:35.39 ID:VdTko/EC: >>13

あれはプロレスのヒール役みたいなもんやろ
He's like the bad guy in pro wrestling

15：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 11:50:21.65 ID:7vvv9eG2

もう歌わんで開墾だけしてればええやろ

It would probably be better if they stopped singing and just focused on agriculture

16：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 11:50:47.04 ID:EHekwMO2

スマップ嵐TOKIO

一般人からすればこれがジャニーズ３強やな

SMAP, Arashi, TOKIO

I think this is the common person's image of Johnny's Top 3.

http://www.geocities.jp/uwamatijp/_gl_images_/smap3.jpg

18：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 11:50:57.76 ID:Bb59dDKP

2ちゃん以外でもdashは評価されてるやろ

歌が評価されてないだけで

But DASH is getting good reviews even outside of 2chan.
It's just that their songs aren't receiving enough recognition.

20：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 11:51:06.51 ID:LCLrAVBF

V6の多くはテレビ以外の方面に活路を見出してしまった

舞台やらグルメやら

Most of V6 have found their paths outside of TV, like stage plays, gourmet.

26：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 11:51:47.44 ID:1CUrqkH1: >>20

TOKIOも対して変わらん

看板番組が生き残ってるかどうかの違いだろう
You can pretty much say the same thing about TOKIO.
The difference is just about the survival of their flagship program.

28：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 11:52:01.06 ID:L8hTDJrF

宙船のあとが糞曲ばかりなんだよね

いい曲を回されなくなってしまった

Everything that came after "Sorafune" were horrible.
They just stopped getting good songs handed over to them.

29：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 11:52:08.23 ID:npZ0sPpu

ぶっちゃけ2chで評価されてるのは鉄腕ダッシュって番組だからやろ

お前ら他のTOKIOメンバーが出てる番組本当に観てんの？スポルト以外

They're only being lauded on 2chan because of Tetsuwan DASH, right?
Do you guys even watch the other programs where these TOKIO members are a part of? Other than Sporto.

35：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 11:53:05.52 ID:EHekwMO2: >>29

他に出てるの知らないわ

ドラマ？ｗ
I don't know their other programs.
Dramas?

40：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 11:54:09.89 ID:4dnxcqLg: >>29

フジでやってる番組見てるよ

I watch the show they do on Fuji

http://file.trueindividual.ni-moe.com/120201_2.jpg

47：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 11:57:42.38 ID:lrvtp/dP: >>29

ゴチも人気やろ
Gochi's popular too

33：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 11:52:46.80 ID:B3/PyaAS

オッサンぽくて好き

I like them since they really seem like good old men

36：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 11:53:27.33 ID:CJQPQQeK

本職は農業、漁業、孤島サバイバル

食ってくためのバイトが運送屋とドラマ

バンド活動は完全に趣味やから…

Because their main line of work is farming, fishing, and surviving in desolate islands.
Their part-time work in order to earn a living is shipping and doing dramas.

Playing in a band is entirely their hobby.

http://pic.prepics-cdn.com/tokiongr/17986416_477x636.jpeg

37：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 11:53:39.39 ID:ExcSC+sg

ZIPは見とるよ、ZIPは！

I watch ZIP, you know!

http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/hikoshi727/imgs/f/d/fd679a95.jpg

39：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 11:53:51.25 ID:IFbUQwox

長瀬の老化が原因

10年前くらいはジャニらしからぬ男前でかっこよかったけど

今は完全におっさんやん

It's because of Nagase's aging.
He was so handsome and "un-Johnny's" 10 years ago, but he's just an old man now. (Related post HERE)

http://up.gc-img.net/post_img/2012/12/WwKZuwxMbS8d6DZ_CZtwq_27.jpeg

57：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 12:00:34.41 ID:EEGNcpFU: >>39

キモタコさんみたいな歳のとり方してないから評価してるよ

何故かリーダーの横に立ってるだけで面白い空気は相変わらず纏ってるし
I rate him highly because he's not aging in the same way as Kimo-Tako.
He looks funny even when he's just standing next to leader.

50：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 11:58:11.89 ID:IFbUQwox

最近のシングルの順位ｗ

ジャニにしては低すぎるンゴ・・・

40　太陽と砂漠のバラ/スベキコト　3位

41　advance/また朝が来る　5位

42　-遥か-　1位

43　NaNaNa (太陽なんていらねぇ) 　6位

44　見上げた流星　4位

45　羽田空港の奇跡/KIBOU　5位

46　リリック　7位

47　手紙　8位

Ranking of their latest singles LOL
This is too low for Johnny's standards...

40 - Taiyou to Sabaku no bara / Subekikoto - 3rd
41 - Advance/Mata asa ga kuru - 5th
42 - Haruka - 1st
43 - NaNaNa (Taiyou nante iranee)- 6th
44 - Miageta Ryuusei - 4th
45 - Haneda Kuukou no kiseki / KIBOU - 5th
46 - Lyric - 7th
47 - Tegami - 8th

53：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 11:59:08.82 ID:C/G/dLNe

売れなさすぎてCD出せなかったことがあるとか聞いたぞ

I heard that they weren't even able to come out with a CD due to their poor sales

54：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 11:59:17.65 ID:IFbUQwox

でも関ジャニへの世代交代は上手くいってるよな？

But KanJani seems to be succeeding them smoothly, right?

63：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 12:02:12.90 ID:Bmg3JUa/: >>54

男からの支持がないからなぁ
But they're not really supported by men

55：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 11:59:47.00 ID:ExcSC+sg

まあ大正義鉄腕ダッシュすぎるんだよなあ

東日本大震災にも絡んじゃったし、辞め時というのももう無いレベルだし

Well, Tetsuwan DASH is still the great justice.

It even got involved with the Great Disaster, I don't think it's on a level that it will ever get cancelled.

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTG5fHDtFh57xEJfsV1vSPDPwgmRy6LyRDv48zp40vuun8pT_Xxeg

58：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 12:00:55.06 ID:4dnxcqLg

37.8万枚宙船(そらふね)／do! do! do!

宙船も全然売れてないンゴ・・・

378,000 Sorafune / do! do! do!
Even "Sorafune" didn't sell well...

59：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 12:01:07.89 ID:tvtSBebe

TOKIOって全盛期でもそんなにCD売れるグループじゃなかっただろ

だから鉄腕DASHとか、テレビのバラエティ路線に特化したんだと思うが

But TOKIO didn't even sell that many CDs during their prime, right?
That's why I think they specialized in Tetsuwan DASH and variety shows.

62：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 12:01:44.24 ID:IFbUQwox

本人たちはそれぞれ仕事があるし

アイドル的な人気を得るのはもう無理だとわかってるだろうし

ええんちゃう？

Each one of them has his own line of projects, I think they know that it's already impossible for them to gain further popularity as idols. Don't you think things are good the way they are?

http://mediawatcher.up.seesaa.net/image/E59BBDE58886E5A4AAE4B880E38394E382A2E3838E.JPG

64：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 12:02:13.33 ID:xk2hE+33

鉄腕ダッシュは今黄金期やろ

でもそうなったのはTOKIOが暇になったからやけど

But Tetsuwan DASH is in its golden age right now.
Well, but the reason for that is because TOKIO doesn't have anything else to do.

66：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 12:02:56.89 ID:UMIa0frT

ジャニーズ所属のお笑いタレントで歌は副業

They're comedians under Johnny's who sing part-time

67：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 12:02:58.02 ID:ExcSC+sg

TOKIOはジュリアが格好良すぎるんだよなあ

TOKIO's "Julia" is really cool

69：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 12:03:44.72 ID:p8kPeNhi

城島(42歳)

山口(41歳)

国分(38歳)

松岡(36歳)

長瀬(34歳)

こんなの、ジャニオタが応援すると思うか？

Joshima (42)
Yamaguchi (41)
Kokubun (38)
Matsuoka (36)
Nagase (34)

Do you really think Jani-otas will support people like these?

72：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 12:04:16.83 ID:1CUrqkH1

関ジャニもあと10年すれば人気出るんじゃない？(適当)

Won't Kanjani become popular in 10 years time? (random)

74：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 12:04:36.31 ID:PsZ6TlMa

CDなんて売れなくても司会とかドラマとかで安泰だろ

But they're still secure even if their CDs don't sell because of their hosting duties and dramas, right?

76：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 12:05:44.15 ID:J/ga7xjw

バンドやからやろ

長瀬以外はカップリングやアルバムでしかメインで歌ってないし

早くユニバの音楽ができれば違ったのにと

It's because they're a band.
The members other than Nagase don't sing other than in their B-sides and album tracks.

It probably would have been different for them if they were able to sing songs with Universal music at an earlier stage in their career.

79：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 12:06:24.30 ID:7XgksZRw

リーダーのほうれい線がえぐいことになってる

Because the leader's smile lines look nasty nowadays

http://stat.ameba.jp/user_images/20111031/17/komame0314/0c/a7/j/t02000255_0200025511581837836.jpg

80：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 12:06:29.98 ID:CWnbQjbM

TOKIOって全員になんとなくポジションがあるのがすごいと思うわ。

But I think it's amazing that each member has his own defined position

81：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 12:06:43.77 ID:4dnxcqLg

TOKIO、キンキ、最初の頃のKAT-TUN好き

I like TOKIO, Kinki, and the early KAT-TUN

http://yaplog.jp/style-a/img/249/kattun.jpg

83：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 12:07:31.40 ID:TS/WRa8t

ジャニでは珍しい実際楽器を弾ける本格グループなのに

それを全く生かそうとしてないのが草生える

They're a genuine group that play instruments which is rare in Johnny's, and it really makes me LOL that they're not making use of that at all.

84：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 12:07:45.62 ID:mG4wxufl

中居　40歳

木村　40歳

稲垣　39歳

草?　38歳

香取　36歳

SMAPが異常すぎる

こいつらだってアイドルとしての旬は過ぎたけど

Nakai (40)
Kimura (40)
Inagaki (39)
Kusanagi (38)
Katori (36)

SMAP is just too abnormal.
Even these guys are past their prime as idols.

91：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 12:10:10.56 ID:TS/WRa8t: >>84

それぞれの個性という意味では頭２つくらい抜けとるからなぁ

空気だった稲垣メンバーも最近になっていい味だしてきとる
But I think they're still head and shoulders above everyone else in the sense that each member has his distinct qualities.
Even Inagaki who used to be thin air seems to be having his own flavor recently.

85：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 12:08:06.25 ID:UokSXI+E

芸能界ポイされてもDASH島とかで自給自足して生きていけそう

Even if they get ousted from the showbiz world, it feels like they're all self-sufficient enough to live on DASH island or somewhere.

90：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 12:09:39.07 ID:T0ziIfg1

老若男女に薄く広く人気って感じ

They're like, "well known to men and women of all ages, but just slightly popular".

92：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 12:10:16.61 ID:/j4tjpH6

宙船はじわじわ売れて60万枚くらい行ったって聞いたで

結局ミリオン一回も経験ないやろ

I heard that "Sorafune" eventually reached the 600,000 sales mark.
But they've never experienced a million-seller.

95：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 12:10:56.06 ID:CWnbQjbM

昔はアイドルグループとして人気出た後、ある程度の年齢になると解散して

それぞれピンで活動していくのが普通だったのにＳＭＡＰ以降30歳過ぎても

普通にグループで活動する連中が増えたな

Idol groups used to disband after getting popular and reaching a certain age, then each member would work individually. That used to be the norm, but after SMAP, a lot have remained as groups even after turning 30.

97：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 12:11:12.14 ID:dl4kKzyr

嵐って2ちゃんでは人気ないよな

Arashi doesn't seem to be that popular on 2chan, right?

99：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 12:12:04.73 ID:4dnxcqLg: >>97

なんか大学生ノリっぽくない？
Don't they seem like college students?

104：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 12:12:53.16 ID:ExcSC+sg: >>97

そりゃ微妙だからジャン

二宮はネズミ顔だし、大麻君も堂本光一のパチモンみたいだし、相葉は糞だし

松本はよくみりゃ気持ち悪いし、サクラップは正当なジャニーズっぽいけどね

女性から人気はもちろんあるだろうけど、男からのアツいパッションは無理やろ
Because there's something slightly off about them.
Ninomiya looks like a rodent, Ohno-kun is like a Koichi Domoto knock-off, Aiba's shitty, Matsumoto is gross when you look at him closely, but Sakurap is the only one who looks legitimately from Johnny's.
Sure, they're popular with the girls but it'll be impossible for men to show that same kind of burning passion towards them.

98：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 12:11:16.65 ID:hiCJbigp

今やってるご当地バイトとかを観てて感じるのは

村で高齢者とのコミュニケーションのとり方を覚えられたのがTOKIO最大の強みだということ

What I feel from them after watching their current part-time job segment, is that TOKIO's biggest strength seems to lie in the fact that they have learned how to communicate properly with the elderly thanks to their work in the village.

100：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 12:12:08.46 ID:1CUrqkH1: >>98

なお国分は相手を高齢と思ってない模様
But it seems like Kokubun doesn't think that the people he's speaking to are elderly

103：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 12:12:48.98 ID:TS/WRa8t: >>98

ジャニーズの鶴瓶やな
They're like the Tsurube of Johnny's

102：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 12:12:36.13 ID:0eddz1+B

鉄腕ダッシュは家族で見るのにちょうどいい番組

Tetsuwan DASH is a perfect program that can be watched by the entire family.

http://file.trueindividual.ni-moe.com/100926.jpg

105：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 12:13:06.32 ID:dl4kKzyr

50歳を過ぎても旅番組とかで温泉つかってそうなのが想像できる

I can easily imagine them in these travel programs when they're already past 50, and immersing themselves in the hot springs.

108：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 12:13:48.92 ID:kzqTaXza

嵐もいい歳なんだよな

少年のイメージが抜けない

Arashi's actually not that young anymore.

We still can't wipe their young boy image away.

http://pic.prepics-cdn.com/arashi2012/12100175.jpeg

111：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 12:14:41.85 ID:BqgWLtZr

TOKIOは女性人気がイマイチっていうけど

ああいう汗流してワイルドでいかにも男らしい連中が好きって女もいるんじゃないか

そういうのはEXILEとかに流れてるんかな

TOKIO doesn't seem to be that popular with the women, but there are also women who like sweaty, wild, and manly guys like them, right? Maybe those women have moved on to EXILE.

113：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 12:15:18.19 ID:4dnxcqLg

ジャニーズは下が全然育ってない

The lower generation of Johnny's haven't been emerging at all

119：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 12:17:03.92 ID:DXy1G6hl: >>113

スマップが特別だっただけでこんなもんじゃないか
SMAP was just too special, I think this is the norm

115：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 12:16:00.94 ID:z43nZhke

ジャニーズにしては普通に顔整ってるのにな

But all of them have pretty good looks despite being in Johnny's

http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/5506109/TOKIO+10949636613fh.jpg

117：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 12:16:40.96 ID:dpVXrXt2

嵐は謎の人気の出方がどうも受け付けん

一時期消えたかと思ってたわ

I really can't understand Arashi's sudden burst into popularity.
I even thought they disappeared at one point.

123：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 12:18:24.90 ID:3MCVO+ds: >>117

桜井のパッパが総務省官僚(放送部門)なんだよなぁ…
Sakurai's papa is an official in the Ministry of Internal Affairs and Communications (broadcasting division)... (Related post HERE)

142：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 12:26:58.94 ID:bE0jVShi: >>117

一時期凄かったな

最近は落ち着いたけどファンは増えとるみたいやわ
It was really intense at one point.
Things seem to have calmed down lately, but their fanbase sure has increased.

121：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 12:17:57.95 ID:F8YSeAhY

女は嵐みたいなノリが好きなのかもしれんが

SMAPみたいに上下関係でギスギスしてる方が見てて面白いわ

I think girls prefer Arashi's style of doing things better.
I actually like SMAP's way better where they have a more defined emphasis towards their ages.

129：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 12:20:15.93 ID:ExcSC+sg

ジャニなら滝沢は天下取れる顔してたのにな

あれも舞台系に行ってしまったな

In Johnny's, Takizawa had the looks to make the entire world his.
But he just went off to do stage plays. (Related post HERE)

http://www.bin109.com/johnnys/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/ed9bd27313c77c6b2b6594d1f13594db.jpg

134：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 12:22:36.30 ID:SMYMb63g

TOKIO→良くも悪くもジャニーズっぽくない曲

SMAP→かつてはエース級が提供され、今は歌うのが割と簡単な曲

V6→アダルト版、変な曲担当

KinKi→歌うのが難しめな曲担当

嵐→最近はもっぱらタイアップに合せつつ売れ線

KAT-TUN→メタル系のアレンジとか何気に硬派な曲

NEWS→ヤング版、変な曲担当

関ジャニ→下手さが誤魔化せる人数の多さを生かしたガヤガヤした曲

Hay Say、キスマイ→電波曲

タキ翼→事務所も存在を忘れてる

なんとなく大雑把にこんなイメージ

A rough image of the songs of these Johnny's groups
TOKIO > Whether it's a good thing or a bad thing, their songs are "un-Johnny's".
SMAP > They were provided with the best songs before, but now they're only singing easy-to-sing ones.
V6 > Adult version, they're in charge of the weird songs.
KinKi > Singers of hard to sing songs.
Arashi > They seem to be doing a ton of tie-ups recently and are just trying to sell more.
KAT-TUN > Hint of metal in the arrangements and somewhat diehard songs.
NEWS > Young version, weird songs.
Kanjani > loud and festive songs where they can hide their bad singing with the number of people that they have.
Hey Say, Kis-My > Denpa songs
Tackey & Tsubasa > Even the agency seem to have forgotten who they are.

139：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 12:25:54.42 ID:DKeveesE

関ジャニがバンドみたいなことしてるからTOKIOの売りが無くなったな

Kanjani's also doing band-like things so TOKIO just lost their sales further.

http://pic.prepics-cdn.com/ririysd/13780403.jpeg

132：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 12:22:25.57 ID:hiCJbigp

いくら仕事のためとは言え、その気になれば潜水士の資格や船舶免許すら簡単に取ってくる山口達也すご杉内

Yamaguchi is so amazing for easily getting various licenses for deep sea diving, boating, and others even if it's just for the program.

144：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 12:27:21.11 ID:ExcSC+sg

因みにこれが山口の弟

This by the way is Yamaguchi's younger brother

http://image.excite.co.jp/feed/news/Cyzowoman/Cyzowoman_201305_post_675woman_1.jpg

http://www.excite.co.jp/News/entertainment_g/20130527/Cyzowoman_201305_post_675woman.html

148：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 12:30:58.33 ID:+c5Kawsr: >>144

顔いっしょやな
Totally looks like him

151：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 12:32:17.85 ID:UokSXI+E: >>144

プロレスラーにしちゃ線が細いな

まだデビューしたてか？
He looks too thin to be a pro wrestler.
Did he just make his debut?

147：風吹けば名無し 2013/07/09(火) 12:30:30.35 ID:kEiM0r1g