2nd generation talents who have succeeded?

1： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 15:31:43.74 0 ID:

成功した2世タレント一覧 

田村正和、松方弘樹、北大路欣也、加山雄三、

関口宏、 堺正章、中井貴一、佐藤浩市、降谷建志、

宇多田ヒカル、松たか子、杏、関根麻里

List of 2nd-generation talents who succeeded:

Masakazu Tamura, Hiroki Matsukata, Kin'ya Kitaōji, Yuzo Kayama,

Hiroshi Sekiguchi, Masaaki Sakai, Kiichi Nakai, Koichi Sato, Kenji Furuya,


Hikaru Utada, Takako Matsu, Anne, Mari Sekine

http://img5.blogs.yahoo.co.jp/ybi/1/07/7f/v3i7q_d0mc4_qs_4nqnn0_1z5_h0rn/folder/499289/img_499289_709488_0?1189599967

2： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 15:32:23.95 0 ID:

親があんまり売れてない場合は関係ない

It's alright even if the parents of that person isn't that popular

3： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 15:32:58.09 0 ID:

松たかこ

佐藤こういち

関根の親は売れてるんじゃね

Takako Matsu's
Koichi Sato's
And Sekine's parents are popular, right?

4： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 15:33:38.00 0 ID:

まず松本幸四郎の子供を松たか子しか載せない時点で矛盾が・・・

But there's already some contradiction there since Takako Matsu is the only one listed as Koshiro Matsumoto's child

5： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 15:34:05.99 0 ID:

宇多田の親って十分売れてたけどね

宇多田の方がそれをもっと全然上回る超確変しただけで

Utada's mom was popular in her own right though.
It's just that Utada overtook her due to her sudden evolution.

http://blog-imgs-15.fc2.com/b/l/u/bluemaxi/20091021141617c8c.jpg

7： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 15:34:36.57 0 ID:

第一段階で視聴者の嫉妬が渦巻くなかで上手くいくんだから才能って遺伝するんだな

They probably inherited the talent of their parents due to their success amidst all the jealousy of the viewers

15： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 15:39:25.72 0 ID:

いまは俳優女優よりもミュージシャンになりたがる2世3世が多い印象

It seems to me that there are more 2nd and 3rd generation people who want to become musicians more so than being actors/actress

18： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 15:42:12.74 0 ID:

ハマタも息子も音楽界隈では割といい位置にきてるぞ

Hamada's son is also in a pretty good position within the music industry

http://img.barks.jp/image/review/1000091660/news_photo1.jpg

20： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 15:43:25.27 0 ID:

二世の打率が高いのは当たり前

It's just natural that 2nd generation talents have a pretty high success rate

22： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 15:44:15.98 0 ID:

笑いは最も遺伝しにくい要素らしいから

2世お笑い芸人は中々大成しないかも

I heard that comedic sense is one of the toughest things to inherit, so 2nd generation comedians probably won't make big strides

25： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 15:45:46.93 0 ID:

二世ってのは大企業の御曹司と同じだからな

コネの中枢なんだから売れて当たり前

逆にそれでも売れない奴は本当にセンスが無い奴

2nd generations are the same as the successors to large companies.
They're the core of all connections within the industry so there's no way they won't become popular.
And those who don't even get to become popular amidst all those conditions are the ones who truly have no sense.

26： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 15:46:05.88 0 ID:

2世のお笑い芸人自体あんまいないような

But I don't think there are even that many 2nd generation comedians

28： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 15:47:02.09 0 ID:

>>26

長嶋一茂とか

親父さんは偉大な芸人だったなぁ

Like Kazushige Nagashima?
His dad was a great comedian, you know :p

http://img5.blogs.yahoo.co.jp/ybi/1/03/9d/alexkentagon15/folder/948522/img_948522_50204595_0

27： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 15:46:51.98 0 ID:

イマルが失敗例の代表みたいな事になってるよね

It seems that IMALU is being considered as the example of the failures, right?

http://news.walkerplus.com/article/9174/26051_400.jpg

30： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 15:48:03.19 0 ID:

イマルは売れてる方だろ

ちょくちょくテレビに出るしモデルや音楽でやってんだろ？

たけしや石橋の娘だろ

But I think IMALU can be considered popular.
She's seen every once in a while on TV, she does modeling works and music too, right?
We must be talking about Takeshi and Ishibashi's daughters.

http://stat.ameba.jp/user_images/20110309/18/0660118/11/2a/j/t02140244_0214024411100420078.jpg

32： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 15:48:57.15 P ID:

イマルは今でもちょこちょこテレビ出てるし成功してるほうだろ

IMALU's still on TV every now and then, you can consider her successful

33： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 15:49:44.97 0 ID:

イマルは親父がかなり偉大な上に母親も大女優ってことを考えるとやっぱ残念だよ

But when you consider how huge IMALU's dad is, and how great of an actress her mother is then she's a bit of a disappointment
(* Sanma Akashiya and Shinobu Otake)

http://www.officiallyjd.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/20130328_yabehiroyuki_21.jpg

34： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 15:50:50.68 0 ID:

高嶋兄弟は活躍してるな

The Takashima brothers are doing well, I believe

http://www.officiallyjd.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/20120202_takashima_13.jpg

35： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 15:51:25.85 0 ID:

あーコネで出してもらってるんだねっていう

視聴者の先入観を払拭してこそ2世が大成した時

イマルはその点まだまだ

You can only say that these 2nd generation talents have made it big once the get out of the shadows of their parents and make the viewers forget that sort of bias. That can't be said about IMALU yet.

36： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 15:51:48.95 0 ID:

若い子はあんまり知らないかもだが

父が一番有名なのは田村正和

The younger ones probably don't know this, but Masakazu Tamura has the most popular father there

(Tsumasaburo Bando)

http://www.tamura-ryo.com/diary/photos/120701.jpg

39： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 15:51:57.87 0 ID:

ジャンルが違うから何とも

さんまは芸人しのぶは女優いまるは音楽モデルタレント

But their genres are totally different so you really can't tell.
Sanma is a comedian, Shinobu is an actress, while IMALU is in music, a model, and a talent.

50： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 15:54:20.04 0 ID:

>>39

イマルは歌手やモデルとしては全く売れてない

バラエティタレントとしてはまだマシってだけだから

さんまとジャンル違うってほどじゃない

IMALU isn't popular at all as a singer and a talent.
It's just that she's still decent as a variety show talent, so she isn't that different from Sanma.

40： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 15:52:37.31 0 ID:

大森なおの親にはビックリした

知らなかった

I got surprised when I knew about Nao Omori's father.
I didn't know that.

(* Akaji Maro)

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51ToYMP514L.jpg

44： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 15:53:11.31 0 ID:

松田聖子は結婚前絶対自分の子供は芸能界入れたくないと言ってた

枕させたくなかったんだろう

Seiko Matsuda said prior to her marriage that she didn't want her own child entering showbiz.
She probably didn't want her child doing sexual favors.

http://up.gc-img.net/post_img_web/2013/07/kQkiKWrJyDVfOFA_9542.jpeg

47： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 15:53:42.69 0 ID:

宇多田しかもこの世で一番売れた女性歌手じゃん

Utada. And she's actually the most successful female singer in the world.

48： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 15:53:58.49 0 ID:

長淵→失敗

矢沢→失敗

桑田→失敗

Nagabuchi → fail
Yazawa → fail
Kuwata → fail

55： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 15:56:32.14 0 ID:

いまるは売れなくても将来安泰だから遊びでやってるんだろう

IMALU doesn't need to be popular, her future will be secure so she's just playing around

57： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 15:56:52.66 0 ID:

森山直太朗

Naotaro Moriyama

http://www.sanspo.com/geino/images/100801/gnj1008011226019-p1.jpg

60： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 15:57:36.22 0 ID:

若手だと杏と関根麻里か

杏はベムで完全に七光り色消えたよね

Among the younger ones, it's Anne and Mari Sekine.
Anne completely got out of her father's shadow in Bem.

http://www.topcoat.co.jp/artist/anne/images/main02.jpg

64： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 15:59:07.76 0 ID:

井上陽水失敗

Yosui Inoue → fail

http://alwaysnewstrend.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/622639d407fa9a05c8d326787d41de20.jpg

65： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 15:59:37.61 0 ID:

ミスターマリック失敗

Mr. MARIC → fail

http://www.47news.jp/PN/200903/PN2009031001000935.-.-.CI0003.jpg

68： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 16:01:01.11 0 ID:

さだまさし失敗

尾崎豊失敗

Masashi Sada → fail
Yutaka Ozaki → fail

69： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 16:01:09.65 0 ID:

IMARUのお兄さんは何してるの？

What is IMALU's big brother doing?

http://本日の最新ニュースは.jp/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/sanma.jpg

71： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 16:01:35.88 0 ID:

>>69

しのぶのマネージャー

Shinobu's manager

73： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 16:02:13.15 0 ID:

五木ひろしの弟とかミック・ジャガーの弟とか

むしろ偉大な兄弟を持つ方が売れないイメージ

This is true for Hiroshi Itsuki and Mick Jagger's brothers, but I think those who have big-name siblings are less likely to become popular

76： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 16:03:24.31 0 ID:

やっぱ物販系の歌手は駄目だな

いくらファンでもそのガキの歌まで金出して聴くわけないもんな

It just goes to show that these mainstream, commercial singers are no good.
Even if you're a fan, you won't shell out money to listen to that person's child sing.

77： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 16:04:12.30 0 ID:

うむ

二世は役者にするのが一番固い

Right. These 2nd generation talents will be making the right choice if they become actors.

78： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 16:04:51.87 0 ID:

意外な二世っていないの

実はあの子供だった！みたいな

Aren't there any "surprising" 2nd-gen talents? The ones that will surprise you once you learn that he or she is actually the child of a particular person?

79： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 16:04:53.48 0 ID:

桑田の息子の顔見てわらた

I LOL'd after seeing the face of Kuwata's son

http://i1.wp.com/skynews7.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/sazan.jpg

80： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 16:05:30.65 0 ID:

親がスーパースターだとハードル上がる

長島さんまたけし加山雄三ジョンレノン

The bar is set so high if you're parent is a superstar.
Nagashima, Sanma, Takeshi, Yuzo Kayama, John Lennon.

81： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 16:05:32.28 0 ID:

山口百恵の息子は将来性ありますか？

Does Momoe Yamaguchi's sons have any potential?

89： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 16:08:24.59 0 ID:

>>81

兄は駄目だが弟は地味に生きてけそう

woman 出てるし

The big brother's no good but the younger one might survive while flying low.
He's even in Woman.

http://img.kakaku.com/images/magazinew/org/womankakaku/i20100527/woman_cinemastar13_001.jpg

82： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 16:05:43.10 0 ID:

坂本龍一の娘

Ryuichi Sakamoto's daughter

http://s.cinematoday.jp/res/N0/03/36/v1310395639/N0033670_l.jpg

86： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 16:06:59.12 P ID:

モックンの娘は芸能界入りした？

Has Mokkun's daughter joined showbiz?

http://userdisk.webry.biglobe.ne.jp/017/822/20/N000/000/022/130696467720016105523.jpg

88： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 16:07:52.32 0 ID:

岡田結実の親父はますおか岡田

Yui Okada's dad is Okada of the duo "MasudaOkada"

http://newnewnews2012.c.blog.so-net.ne.jp/_images/blog/_4e1/newnewnews2012/E5B2A1E794B0E7B590E5AE9F.jpg

92： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 16:09:20.60 0 ID:

森進一と昌子の息子ってそんなに凄いの？

Is Shinichi and Masako Mori's son really that amazing?

http://pic.prepics-cdn.com/toyomakirio/13491407.jpeg

97： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 16:11:36.83 0 ID:

>>92

ハロよりliveの動員力ある

His band has more ability to gather a concert audience than Hello! Pro

93： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 16:09:34.54 0 ID:

スポーツの世界は実力世界だから少ないな

長嶋や野村は完全にコネと話題作りだし

The sports world is all about talent and ability so there aren't that many 2nd generation stars.
Nagashima and Nomura's sons were just totally due to connection, and were there only for the media attention.

94： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 16:10:38.76 0 ID:

スポーツは室伏親子と三宅親子と若貴がいるな

For sports, there's the Murofushi family, the Miyake family, and Wakataka

95： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 16:11:18.42 0 ID:

朝原と奥野の子供に期待

I'll be looking forward to Asahara and Okuno's children

http://www.team-6.jp/images/try/uchieco/column/15_asahara/mainImage.jpg

100： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 16:13:25.01 0 ID:

宇多田はJPOPに新しい流れを作っちゃったくらいだからなぁ

Utada was so huge, she even created her own J-POP wave

101： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 16:13:29.14 0 ID:

ジャンボ尾崎の息子も結局駄目だったな

Even Jumbo Ozaki's son was no good

http://hokua.xsrv.jp/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/%E7%84%A1%E9%A1%8C4-horz.jpg

103： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 16:14:01.37 0 ID:

落語家の二世はもれなく糞

2nd-gen rakugo artists are all shi+e without exception

107： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 16:19:30.28 0 ID:

政治家は２世だらけ

While in politics, it's all about the 2nd generation politicians

136： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 18:50:29.04 0 ID:

>>107

いまや3世4世がメインだろ

It's already mainly 3rd, 4th generation now

108： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 16:20:31.83 0 ID:

政治家は芸能人以上に能力関係ないもんな

Abilities don't count at all in politics, more than in showbiz

111： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 16:22:36.23 0 ID:

歌手は消費者が金出してもいいと思わせる実力が必要だから

二世ならデビュー時は有利だけど才能無いと結局消える

役者とかは金出してないTVドラマとかで脇役で二世が出てても

誰も気にしないし数字にも影響しないからよほど素行悪くて業界内で嫌われたりしない限り生き残る

Singers need the ability to make the consumers want to spend their moneys on them.
Sure, they'd have the upper hand at first, but they'll disappear if they don't have any talent. 
2nd generation actors on the other hand still get to be in dramas where the consumers don't even need to spend their money. Even if they're in there for supporting roles, no one will really care, and it won't really have that much of an impact on the ratings, so they'll survive as long as they aren't hated within the industry.

114： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 16:27:53.50 O ID:

どいつもビッグになったやつは親が大したことないな

佐藤中井なんかもデビューしらないけど何年もやったのが良かったんだろうな

壱成も悪さしなきゃ良いとこにいられたかもな

On the other hand, the ones who made it big actually have no-good parents.
No one really knows when Sato and Nakai made their debuts, but it was good for them that they kept at it for a number of years. Even Issei would have probably been in a good position if he didn't do anything stupid.

http://image.eiga.k-img.com/images/person/32505/300x.jpg

http://blog-imgs-62.fc2.com/s/k/y/skyhigh1997/kiichi-nakai.jpg

http://cdn.mydramalist.info/images/people/2285.jpg

115： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 16:28:05.54 0 ID:

身内のコネをフルに使ったのって石原家だろ

The Ishihara family made the biggest use of their internal connections

116： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 16:31:45.26 0 ID:

良純がたまに見せる異様な神経質さが怖い

っつうか最近良純見ないな

I'm scared of Yoshizumi's extremely sensitive side which he shows every once in a while.
I actually haven't seen Yoshizumi that much these days.

http://www4.ocn.ne.jp/~gojome/images/yoshizumi.jpg

117： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 16:33:50.03 0 ID:

良純ならお前の横で寝てるよ

Yoshizumi's probably sleeping beside you

118： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 16:37:17.29 0 ID:

良純なら俺の目の前で天気読んでる

Yoshizumi's predicting the weather in front me

120： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 17:48:01.64 0 ID:

石田いっせいは一時までは十分に大成したといえるな

You can say that Issei Ishida was popular until a certain point

http://stat.ameba.jp/user_images/20100728/20/jottyon-jottyon/2b/17/j/o0425026210663265841.jpg

122： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 17:56:11.36 0 ID:

IMALU Live Lounge -Super Bass

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHl74ZG-aQI&feature=player_detailpage&t=103

いまるも歌唱力は悪くないけど

芸能界屈指の音痴なさんまの娘というイメージで損しているな

IMALU's singing isn't really that bad, but being the daughter of Sanma, the biggest tone-deaf in the showbiz industry is hurting her image.

123： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 17:58:33.86 0 ID:

さんまスタイルいいのにイーマールはなんであんなにスタイル悪いんだろ

Sanma's got a good figure, but I wonder why IMALU didn't get that from him

http://livedoor.3.blogimg.jp/amosaic/imgs/2/6/261d812d.jpg

125： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 18:00:59.49 0 ID:

イマル曰くさんまとしのぶの

身体の短所ばかり受け継いだ

According to IMALU, she inherited all the faults in Sanma's and Shinobu's bodies

131： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 18:43:31.95 0 ID:

親の名前出してもまったくダメな赤井英和の娘みたいなのもいるし

若干有利なくらいで本人次第じゃないの？

とんねるず石橋の娘なんて競演NGみたいだしさ

But there are still those talents like Hidekazu Akai's daughter who still can't cut it even if she uses her dad's name. I think it just puts them at a very slight advantage at first, but it all boils down to themselves. Even the daughter of Tunnel's Ishibashi isn't allowed to work with him.

http://hrwgr.cocolog-nifty.com/photos/uncategorized/2009/11/23/photo_2.jpg

http://itopix.jp/2007_06/saki_akai/images/main_photo.jpg

135： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 18:49:41.16 0 ID:

歌舞伎とか世襲制だもんな

そりゃどんどんしょぼくなるよ

Kabuki on the other hand is hereditary.
Of course, the quality there would just deteriorate over time.

138： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 19:02:10.25 P ID:

意外と2世って極端に擦れた感じのいないよね

金はあるから大らかに育てられたからか

Surprisingly, these 2nd generation stars don't look too worn out.
They all had money growing up so they were all raised well.

140： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 20:01:27.59 0 ID:

さんまって娘の芸能界入りに反対してたろ？

その後も人に迷惑かけてないかずっと気にしてた

親としてちゃんとしてるよ

But Sanma was against his daughter joining the industry, right? 
Then he was always concerned whether or not she was causing trouble to other people.
He's a good parent.

142： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 20:08:23.20 P ID:

タレントではないけど小泉孝太郎が長生きしてるのがびっくり

演技下手だけど

He isn't a talent, but I'm surprised that Kotaro Koizumi has had this much staying power.
He's a bad actor after all.

http://a-fujiken.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/g2009070301kotaro_b.jpg

150： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 23:27:26.76 0 ID:

関根麻里はどうなんだろう　成功してるとは思えないが

I wonder about Mari Sekine, I don't think you can call her successful

http://hochi.yomiuri.co.jp/photo/20121220-356230-1-N.jpg

151： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/08(木) 23:29:30.18 0 ID:

十分過ぎるほど成功してるだろ関根麻里

Nah, Mari Sekine can definitely be called a success

155： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/09(金) 00:39:14.26 0 ID:

親父のコネで楽して二世俳優にもなれたのに

自力で売れたドラゴンアッシュすげーな

I'm amazed at Dragon Ash who got popular by himself even if he could've enjoyed the good life with the help of connections from his dad 

http://image.space.rakuten.co.jp/d/strg/ctrl/12/48cca31673e988abc1d59b4992e60c749b8d125e.57.1.12.2.jpeg

156： 名無し募集中。。。 2013/08/09(金) 00:40:10.82 0 ID:

松田優作の息子も二人とも結構成功してるね

Even both of Yusaku Matsuda's sons have succeeded

http://namituka.com/gazou/matudaryuuhei.jpg

http://image.eiga.k-img.com/images/person/69805/300x.jpg

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