Bands who appear in the monthly music magazines "ROCKIN'ON" and "ROCKIN'ON JAPAN" are generalized as "ROCKIN'ON-kei", or "ROKINON-kei". These are the bands that rarely get exposure on TV music programs and are almost never on the major hit charts, but focus their activities on rock festivals. Fans of such bands are called "ROKINON-kei boy (or girl)" and "ROKINON-chu".
And just like Mr. Akira, there are a lot of ROKINON-chus who aren't too hunky-dory with their favorite bands making TV appearances. Why is that? Here are some reasons according to the fans.
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"Most fans are not pleased with the cut distribution. They just mainly focus their cameras on the vocalist. I'm dissatisfied since the bassist that I like doesn't get any airtime." (21 y/o male - 9mm Parabellum Bullet fan)
2) Dissatisfied with the song selection.
"I always think 'This isn't the kind of song that will justify the abilities of this band! This producer just chose a song that's suited for TV!' and feel a kind of anger." (25 y/o male - MAXIMUM THE HORMONE fan)
3) They don't sing the bridge of the songs most of the time.
"I hate it how they have to cut the songs short on TV due to the time constraints. I think that the bridge is the part where the vocalist's emotions are at its peak, and that's were the gist of the message lies in. And for that part to be cut..." (32 y/o male - Mr. Children fan)
4) There's a sound register that cannot be heard through the TV.
"The sound coming from the rhythm group (drum and bass) aren't recreated faithfully. Well, that's the fault of the speakers, but that means I just have to buy an expensive surround system (LOL)" (25 y/o SPECIAL OTHERS fan)
And there are of course the more common reasons aside from these musical factors here, just like what Mr. Akira who opened this article said, "As a long-time fan of this band, it makes me sad to see them 'sell-out' and be liked by the general public".
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Which goes to show how Bump of Chicken are pretty consistent in their beliefs
(* Bump has continuously declined offers to appear on Music Station and the like since they didn't like the idea of their songs being cut short, and they don't want attracting attention even if they're just walking down the street.)
It's the same as the otakus who hate it when TV reports about their favorite mangas or animes, huh
- 13: 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/09/27 14:55:35 ID:x+tAQtJp0
- >>9俺や…
That's totally me...
大所帯アイドルのヲタと変わらなくね
>1) The favorite members don't get focused on by the camera.
Isn't that the same as the wotas of these idol groups with a large number of members?
- 25: 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/09/27 14:58:06 ID:43hpfFRk0
- >>14ロックってアイドルと紙一重だから当然っちゃ当然
There's just a fine line between rock and idols, so you can say that this is natural
But I was happy when Spiral Life, Cornelius, and SUNNY DAY SERVICE appeared on Tamori-Station, though
I couldn't care less about the musician whom I used to be a fan of once he becomes popular
People just need to calm down and think of it as something like a promotional video or something.
売れなきゃ四の五の言わずに契約打ち切り、解散なんだが
バンドが未来永劫続くとでも思っているのかねぇ
Why are these fans against these bands promoting their songs? LOL
If they don't sell enough records, their contracts will be cancelled which will lead to the band breaking up. Do they think that these bands will keep on existing for all of eternity?
- 62: 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:08:06 ID:tichAk1c0
- >>44売るためにテレビ出て曲も変わるより好きなようにライブで活動してくれりゃいいって聴衆がいる
There are still people who want these bands to just keep doing concerts instead of hearing their songs sounding differently on TV
The people who liked listening to folk music 40 years ago were like this as well
それでいて出す曲出す曲クオリティ高いし
Sakanaction's all over TV, and at this rate, they're also going to the Kouhaku. They're great!
And even with all that, the songs they release are all high-quality.
ただですらcd売れない時代なのに。
I don't think there are people who still say things like this these days.
To think that you can't even sell CDs anymore in these times.
"Look, I'm so cool since I promote such minor, manic bands"
乗せてもらえないんですけど。
But what about progressive rock bands who can't even get on broadcasts due to their lengthy songs.
なぜか去年ポッキーのＣＭ出てたけど変に話題にならなくて良かった
I'll quit being a fan if POLYSICS appears on TV.
For some reason though, they were in a Pocky commercial last year, but I'm glad it didn't become too popular.
- 76: 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:11:26 ID:tP+r58Vd0
- >>67こういう謎理論のファンっていらないよな
We don't need fans like you who have these mysterious beliefs
CDのような一番ペイするコンテンツを買ってあげないと、歌手も営業活動が厳しくなるからね。
ライブなんて規模の大小問わず左程に儲からないし、その映像ソフトだって似たようなものだよ。
「歌声が聞きたい、でもCDは買ってやらない」では、歌手も活動費をテレビのギャラに求めるしかなくなるわ。
I don't mind these fans hating on TV appearances, but that in itself questions how big of a fan one person is. These artists will cease to stay active if no one buys their CDs which is the bulk source of their income. And no matter how big the concerts are, these won't earn them that much; just like their videos and stuff. If fans still have the mindset of wanting to hear their song but have no intention of buying their CDs, then these singers themselves will have no choice but to depend on the talent fees they'll receive from TV.
- 100: 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:16:53 ID:2jhgBdCp0
- >>82どうせ1000枚単位しか売れんCDごときよりライヴ＋物販がオイシイんじゃないの？
イザムもいってたけど
Err, but they'll be earning more with concerts + merchandise compared to CDs selling just a few thousand copies. Even Izam said that.
HEY!HEY!HEY! was the best when they were featuring all these ROKINON-kei bands
- 111: 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:18:52 ID:kDuA2Ghs0
- >>88昔は幅広く出てたよね
本当に面白かった
ギターウルフの回は忘れられない
Yeah, there really was much more variety before.
It was really good.
I'll never forget the episode with Guitar Wolf.
みたいな痛いのは置いといて
ＴＶ出るのはいいけど
芸人とかに下手にいじられるなら
出ないでくれって感じじゃねえの
あんまりテレビ出てると有難みも減るし
そういう感覚ならまあ普通やろ
So let's ignore these pathetic fans like the one in >>1. I'm fine with them going on TV, but people probably don't want these bands being joked around by the comedians so they'd rather not see them there. And the sense of gratefulness one holds towards these artists will decrease if you see them too much on TV. I think that's the normal reaction.
- 95: 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:15:52 ID:pLu3jsv60
- >>91歴史的に日本のテレビのレベルが低いから
こういった現象が起こるんだろな
The level of Japanese television has been historically low, so these kind of things really happen
なんか見てるこっちが恥ずかしくなるんだよなw
特にアイドルとかと一緒だと見てられないw
Yeah, especially when foreign musicians guest on our music shows, I'm the one who feels embarassed. Especially when they're with idols, I just can't bear to watch that. LOL
そう思ってるよ自分は
Because their cover will be blown if they sing live on TV.
That's what I think.
中高生が陥りがち
自分も同じようなことを思ってたから少し理解できる
There's this strange theory that the bands who don't appear on TV are cool.
And it's mostly the highschoolers who think that way.
I was also like that back then so I think I understand these fans.
Because these people won't be able to brag that they know these minor bands anymore
It seems that there are always these half-a$$ed fans who just always want to prevent people becoming new fans.
There's actually no more need to appear on TV since it's already considered a thing of the past
ニルバーナ、レディオヘッド、プライマルスクリーム、ソニックユースみたいな
のしか聞かない厨房を指してたんだけどな
Until a while back, the term ROKINON-chu used to refer to these kids who liked Nirvana, Radiohead, Primal Scream, Sonic Youth, and the like, though
- 133: 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:23:43 ID:tichAk1c0
- >>114せやな
こんな意味じゃなかった
Right, it didn't have this kind of meaning
がっかりしたから気持わかるわ。
２０年くらい前の話な
When I was a ROKINON-chu, I used to feel so disappointed when U2 appeared on Hit Studio. I think that was about 20 years ago.
実は思ってる
メジャーデビューしてるバンドは絶対思ってる
口には出さないが
I bet these bands actually want to be on TV and provide songs for Johnny's and such. Especially these bands who have debuted on major labels, they definitely think that way even if they aren't talking about it.
Mステに出演したりしている例も多くある
かなりのビッグネームでさえだ
ボロがでる心配などないからだ
ボーカルがしょぼいと、生歌披露は無理だからさ
There are a lot of cases where even these world class bands who usually play as the final act at various music festivals appear on Music Station. Yup, even those big name bands. That's because there's no worry of them making any kind of mistake. They won't dare sing live if the vocalist is horrible.
TMGEとかブランキーやギターウルフとか、別にTVに出ても問題無かったわけだし
矢沢や長渕みたいにバランスよく活動できてればいいと思うよ
I do wish for the bands to at least appear on TV whenever they have a new song.
There wasn't any problem even when bands like TMGE, BLANKEY, and Guitar Wolf went on TV.
They should be able to balance their projects well like Yazawa and Nagabuchi.
生きていくためにはニワカも必要なんだってわかってやれよ
I hope these passionate fans realize that they're not the ones who bring food to the tables of these bands, and that they still need these bandwagoners in order to survive.
テレビ番組で全く取り上げられないのとは違うでしょ
But it's a totally different thing from bands like MAXIMUM THE HORMONE and DIR EN GREY never being talked about on TV programs, right?
- 184: 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:40:52 ID:93l9D/520
- >>157
- 一度で良いからそう言うコアな連中だけが出るMステが観てみたい
すっごくピリっとした空気が流れるんだろうな 苦情も覚悟でやってくれないかな
Honestly, I want to see at least one Music Station episode that consists only of those core bands. I bet the atmosphere there would be so touchy, and the station ought to be ready for complaints.
- 199: 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:50:54 ID:XA9JXN8X0
- >>157
- ホルモンは民放の音楽番組は断っているみたいだね
Ｍステは本人出演こそないが、地獄絵図ライブの映像が流れたことはあるよ
ダイスケはんとナヲちゃんがタモリ倶楽部に出演したことはある(笑)
I heard that HORMONE has been rejecting offers to appear on these commercial music shows. They never made personal appearances on Music Station, but the footage of their Jigoku-ezu concert was shown. Though there was a time when Daisuke-han and Nawo-chan were on Tamori Club. (LOL)
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- 252: 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/09/27 16:12:55 ID:+k2l3UmM0
- >>157
- DIR EN GREYはヤバそうだな
昔のMステ出演ですら既に伝説なのにｗｗｗ
DIR EN GREY would be so epic.
To think that their past Music Station appearance was already considered legendary www
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ただでさえ今は音楽番組は少ないし
情報番組で取り上げられるのは更に金やら事務所・スポンサーの意向等の力関係がものをいうだろうし
そんな簡単なもんじゃないと思うが・・・どうなんだろ？
People are badmouthing these bands who don't appear on TV but consider the fact that there aren't that many music programs anymore these days.
Money, agency authority, and sponsor's demands speak volumes when there's something you want to feature on your program.
I don't really think it's that easy... What do you think?
- 175: 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:37:32 ID:0vx6qX5p0
- >>159
- 出たいけど出させてもらえないっていうバンドの方が多いな
There must be a whole lot more bands who would love to guest on these shows, but they can't
- 215: 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:57:12 ID:ubnYI49R0
- >>159
- ロキノン厨、ロキノン厨と騒いでる奴が元ロキノン厨だからw
かつての自分を恥ずかしく思い、罵声を浴びせている
Guys who call people ROKINON-chu this and ROKINON-chu that are former ROKINON-chus themselves.
They feel embarrassed by these people who remind them of their former selves and lash out at them.
If you don't want to see them on TV then just don't tune in. I don't get it.
聞いてショックだったわ、、、
I got shocked when Mongol800 played "Chiisana koi no uta" on Music Station...
I started to like MICHELLE when they played in place of tatu though
テレビ画面でボーカルの声が割合にわかるように流れると
大抵がっかりするんだよね
実力も努力も足りないからだと思うな
Bands who just blast the volume of their instruments during festivals and cover up their shortcomings will more often than not disappoint on TV once the volume of the vocals is mixed properly with the other instruments. I think those bands just lack ability and the effort to hone their craft.
自爆が怖いんだよな
テレビは結構影響力があるから
I understand how they feel.
They're scared the bands might f*ck up.
TV definitely has the power to influence people.
露出しなきゃ売れないっつーのに矛盾してるよ
So these people don't want their favorite bands appearing on TV yet they complain about the recent music charts.
They're just contradicting themselves. How would these bands sell more unless they get some exposure?
- 221: 名無しさん＠恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:59:32 ID:pLu3jsv60
- >>209テレビなんてもう誰も観てないからな
出たところで露出効果ないし売上には関係なくなってきてる
But no one watches TV anymore,
It's not like their exposure will increase even if they do, and it doesn't even translate to sales.
今となってはTVに出ない＝単に実力がないだけ、になってしまったな
特にその代表がロキノンなんだろうな
In the past, artists who didn't appear on TV = hidden talents.
Now it's more simple: artists who didn't appear on TV = talentless.
That's especially the case for ROKINON.
テレビ出るのは歌手でアーティストは出ないっていう
今のロキノンみたいな考えが至極当然に支持されてた
This was the normal way of thinking in the past.
The singers appear on TV while artists don't.
The philosophy of these ROKINONs these days used to be supported.
やるから勘弁してくれって思うわ。もっと他に良い曲あるだろっていう。
『少しでもメジャーな曲を』
という方針で決定してるんだろうが、売れた曲といっても数十万とかだろ。
マイナーじゃん。１億数千万のうちの数十万。だったら非シングルも含めて
純粋に良い曲を披露させればいいのに。
数字とろうと必死すぎ。そのくせ数字とれてないしｗ
About the song selection, I totally get that. I sometimes think "Gimme a break!" when all these similar musicians play similar types of songs. I know that there ought to be better songs in their repertoire. The producers just decide on what they'll play by choosing a song that slightly made waves on the music charts, but even if you say so, that's only a few thousand copies sold. It's still considered minor. It's just a few thousands out of millions and billions of records sold out there. That's why I'm with the guy who said that they should play the truly good songs on the programs. The producers are just too desperate for ratings, and yet they aren't getting any.
"I'm so cool since I listen to this!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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