Friday, October 18, 2013

Why do these "Rockin' on" fans hate it when their favorite bands appear on TV?


1: ◆YKPE.6U.2. @ゆきぺφ ★ 2013/09/27 14:51:45
"This might be a stereotypical answer, but I really become sad when my favorite band appears on TV" --- is what this SEKAI NO OWARI and self-proclaimed "Rockin'on fan" Akira (21, college student) said.

Bands who appear in the monthly music magazines "ROCKIN'ON" and "ROCKIN'ON JAPAN" are generalized as "ROCKIN'ON-kei", or "ROKINON-kei". These are the bands that rarely get exposure on TV music programs and are almost never on the major hit charts, but focus their activities on rock festivals. Fans of such bands are called "ROKINON-kei boy (or girl)" and "ROKINON-chu".

And just like Mr. Akira, there are a lot of ROKINON-chus who aren't too hunky-dory with their favorite bands making TV appearances. Why is that? Here are some reasons according to the fans.

(Continued after the jump)

Source: http://zasshi.news.yahoo.co.jp/article?a=20130927-00000004-pseven-ent
http://ro69.jp/images/magazine_cover/500x500/84048.jpg


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1: ◆YKPE.6U.2. @ゆきぺφ ★ 2013/09/27 14:51:45
1) The favorite members don't get focused on by the camera.
"Most fans are not pleased with the cut distribution. They just mainly focus their cameras on the vocalist. I'm dissatisfied since the bassist that I like doesn't get any airtime." (21 y/o male - 9mm Parabellum Bullet fan)

2) Dissatisfied with the song selection.
"I always think 'This isn't the kind of song that will justify the abilities of this band! This producer just chose a song that's suited for TV!' and feel a kind of anger." (25 y/o male - MAXIMUM THE HORMONE fan) 

3) They don't sing the bridge of the songs most of the time.
"I hate it how they have to cut the songs short on TV due to the time constraints. I think that the bridge is the part where the vocalist's emotions are at its peak, and that's were the gist of the message lies in. And for that part to be cut..." (32 y/o male - Mr. Children fan)

4) There's a sound register that cannot be heard through the TV.
"The sound coming from the rhythm group (drum and bass) aren't recreated faithfully. Well, that's the fault of the speakers, but that means I just have to buy an expensive surround system (LOL)" (25 y/o SPECIAL OTHERS fan)

And there are of course the more common reasons aside from these musical factors here, just like what Mr. Akira who opened this article said, "As a long-time fan of this band, it makes me sad to see them 'sell-out' and be liked by the general public".

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000HC48G8.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg
7: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 14:53:21 ID:UOae0b/I0
バンプオブチキンは一貫してるなその点
Which goes to show how Bump of Chicken are pretty consistent in their beliefs
(* Bump has continuously declined offers to appear on Music Station and the like since they didn't like the idea of their songs being cut short, and they don't want attracting attention even if they're just walking down the street.) 

http://ent2.excite.co.jp/music/interview/2006/bump/img/01_i_01.jpg




9: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 14:53:31 ID:DvPGVfll0
好きなアニメや漫画がTVで無闇に取り上げられるのが嫌っているオタと言ってる事一緒だな
It's the same as the otakus who hate it when TV reports about their favorite mangas or animes, huh
13: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 14:55:35 ID:x+tAQtJp0
>>9
俺や…
That's totally me...
14: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 14:56:09 ID:vkGnqfld0
>【その1】カット割りで推しメンが映らない
大所帯アイドルのヲタと変わらなくね
>1) The favorite members don't get focused on by the camera.
Isn't that the same as the wotas of these idol groups with a large number of members?
25: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 14:58:06 ID:43hpfFRk0
>>14
ロックってアイドルと紙一重だから当然っちゃ当然
There's just a fine line between rock and idols, so you can say that this is natural
28: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 14:59:50 ID:LME8nlAPO
スパイラルライフ、コーネリアス、サニーデイサービスがタモステに出たときは嬉しかったがな
But I was happy when Spiral Life, Cornelius, and SUNNY DAY SERVICE appeared on Tamori-Stationthough

 
38: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:01:53 ID:pyPEGGiA0
ファンだったミュージシャン 売れてからはもうどうでもいい
I couldn't care less about the musician whom I used to be a fan of once he becomes popular
41: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:03:04 ID:OminkN1/0
プロモビデオだと思って気楽に見ればいいのに
People just need to calm down and think of it as something like a promotional video or something.
44: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:03:40 ID:JxJVt5dC0
楽曲のプロモーション活動を否定しているのは何故w
売れなきゃ四の五の言わずに契約打ち切り、解散なんだが
バンドが未来永劫続くとでも思っているのかねぇ
Why are these fans against these bands promoting their songs? LOL
If they don't sell enough records, their contracts will be cancelled which will lead to the band breaking up. Do they think that these bands will keep on existing for all of eternity?
http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/eeeeeeeeee0523/imgs/7/4/7410ca5e.jpg
62: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:08:06 ID:tichAk1c0
>>44
売るためにテレビ出て曲も変わるより好きなようにライブで活動してくれりゃいいって聴衆がいる
There are still people who want these bands to just keep doing concerts instead of hearing their songs sounding differently on TV
45: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:04:04 ID:fp3X2Tu20
40年前のフォーク勢もこんなだったよ
The people who liked listening to folk music 40 years ago were like this as well
51: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:05:29 ID:0vx6qX5p0
サカナクションはTV出まくりだし紅白も出そうだし偉いね
それでいて出す曲出す曲クオリティ高いし
Sakanaction's all over TV, and at this rate, they're also going to the Kouhaku. They're great!
And even with all that, the songs they release are all high-quality.
http://www.musicman-net.com/files/2012/03/f4f694a2f2192c.jpg

 
56: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:06:48 ID:+K+/J4np0
今でもこんなこと言ってる人いないだろ。
ただですらcd売れない時代なのに。
I don't think there are people who still say things like this these days.
To think that you can't even sell CDs anymore in these times.
64: team℃-uteアーバンアサルトベーグル ◆HH4IFgMTjc 2013/09/27 15:08:21 ID:9lbgzIHM0
マニアックなバンド推す自分カッケー
"Look, I'm so cool since I promote such minor, manic bands"
66: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:08:31 ID:pLrl9lZ50
プログレッシブロックなんて長尺というだけで電波にも
乗せてもらえないんですけど。
But what about progressive rock bands who can't even get on broadcasts due to their lengthy songs.
67: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:08:59 ID:CGsGpiXvO
POLYSICSがTV出たらファン辞めるわ。
なぜか去年ポッキーのCM出てたけど変に話題にならなくて良かった
I'll quit being a fan if POLYSICS appears on TV.
For some reason though, they were in a Pocky commercial last year, but I'm glad it didn't become too popular.

76: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:11:26 ID:tP+r58Vd0
>>67
こういう謎理論のファンっていらないよな
We don't need fans like you who have these mysterious beliefs
82: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:13:35 ID:4jxM6Nrg0
テレビを嫌がるのは結構だが、それならそれでファンの姿勢も問われるよな。
CDのような一番ペイするコンテンツを買ってあげないと、歌手も営業活動が厳しくなるからね。
ライブなんて規模の大小問わず左程に儲からないし、その映像ソフトだって似たようなものだよ。
「歌声が聞きたい、でもCDは買ってやらない」では、歌手も活動費をテレビのギャラに求めるしかなくなるわ。
I don't mind these fans hating on TV appearances, but that in itself questions how big of a fan one person is. These artists will cease to stay active if no one buys their CDs which is the bulk source of their income. And no matter how big the concerts are, these won't earn them that much; just like their videos and stuff. If fans still have the mindset of wanting to hear their song but have no intention of buying their CDs, then these singers themselves will have no choice but to depend on the talent fees they'll receive from TV.
100: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:16:53 ID:2jhgBdCp0
>>82
どうせ1000枚単位しか売れんCDごときよりライヴ+物販がオイシイんじゃないの?
イザムもいってたけど
Err, but they'll be earning more with concerts + merchandise compared to CDs selling just a few thousand copies. Even Izam said that.
88: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:14:28 ID:vkGnqfld0
ロキノン系を扱ってた頃がヘイヘイヘイの最も面白かった時期だというのに
HEY!HEY!HEY! was the best when they were featuring all these ROKINON-kei bands
111: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:18:52 ID:kDuA2Ghs0
>>88
昔は幅広く出てたよね
本当に面白かった
ギターウルフの回は忘れられない
Yeah, there really was much more variety before.
It was really good.
I'll never forget the episode with Guitar Wolf.
91: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:14:53 ID:BY9AJTxc0
>>1
みたいな痛いのは置いといて
TV出るのはいいけど
芸人とかに下手にいじられるなら
出ないでくれって感じじゃねえの
あんまりテレビ出てると有難みも減るし
そういう感覚ならまあ普通やろ
So let's ignore these pathetic fans like the one in >>1. I'm fine with them going on TV, but people probably don't want these bands being joked around by the comedians so they'd rather not see them there. And the sense of gratefulness one holds towards these artists will decrease if you see them too much on TV. I think that's the normal reaction.
95: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:15:52 ID:pLu3jsv60
>>91
歴史的に日本のテレビのレベルが低いから
こういった現象が起こるんだろな
The level of Japanese television has been historically low, so these kind of things really happen
93: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:15:17 ID:TCcPjl2S0
海外のミュージシャンが日本の音楽番組出たりする時
なんか見てるこっちが恥ずかしくなるんだよなw
特にアイドルとかと一緒だと見てられないw
Yeah, especially when foreign musicians guest on our music shows, I'm the one who feels embarassed. Especially when they're with idols, I just can't bear to watch that. LOL
http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/onsokuch/imgs/1/0/108b3be4.jpg
96: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:16:03 ID:EjqV5TVcI
テレビで生歌披露したら、ボロが出るからテレビに出ないのでしょう
そう思ってるよ自分は
Because their cover will be blown if they sing live on TV.
That's what I think.
97: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:16:13 ID:JhJVDH9/0
「テレビに出ないことがかっこいい」っていう謎理論がある
中高生が陥りがち
自分も同じようなことを思ってたから少し理解できる
There's this strange theory that the bands who don't appear on TV are cool.
And it's mostly the highschoolers who think that way.
I was also like that back then so I think I understand these fans.
104: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:17:35 ID:jlxnMWpP0
俺はこんなマイナーバンド知ってるんだぜ、的な自慢が出来なくなるから
Because these people won't be able to brag that they know these minor bands anymore
http://img.barks.jp/image/review/1000049106/a350.jpg
106: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:17:44 ID:OminkN1/0
中途半端なファンが新規ファンの拡充を邪魔する風景はどこにでもあるな
It seems that there are always these half-a$$ed fans who just always want to prevent people becoming new fans.
109: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:18:15 ID:ja/19DKd0
実際テレビみたいな遅れたメディアに出る必然性無くなってるよね
There's actually no more need to appear on TV since it's already considered a thing of the past
114: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:19:25 ID:+71vP1a/0
ロキノン厨って
ニルバーナ、レディオヘッド、プライマルスクリーム、ソニックユースみたいな
のしか聞かない厨房を指してたんだけどな
Until a while back, the term ROKINON-chu used to refer to these kids who liked Nirvana, Radiohead, Primal Scream, Sonic Youth, and the like, though
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/44/SonicYouth.JPG
133: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:23:43 ID:tichAk1c0
>>114
せやな
こんな意味じゃなかった
Right, it didn't have this kind of meaning
116: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:19:31 ID:Cj5FN0iS0
俺もロキノン厨だった頃U2がヒットスタジオ出てきて
がっかりしたから気持わかるわ。
20年くらい前の話な
When I was a ROKINON-chu, I used to feel so disappointed when U2 appeared on Hit Studio. I think that was about 20 years ago.
120: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:21:03 ID:M+FwXrSj0
バンド側はテレビ出て有名になりたいしジャニーズなんかに楽曲提供したいと
実は思ってる
メジャーデビューしてるバンドは絶対思ってる 
口には出さないが
I bet these bands actually want to be on TV and provide songs for Johnny's and such. Especially these bands who have debuted on major labels, they definitely think that way even if they aren't talking about it.
124: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:21:40 ID:EjqV5TVcI
音楽フェスのトリを飾るような世界的に有名な洋楽バンドも
Mステに出演したりしている例も多くある
かなりのビッグネームでさえだ
ボロがでる心配などないからだ
ボーカルがしょぼいと、生歌披露は無理だからさ
There are a lot of cases where even these world class bands who usually play as the final act at various music festivals appear on Music Station. Yup, even those big name bands. That's because there's no worry of them making any kind of mistake. They won't dare sing live if the vocalist is horrible.
139: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:24:20 ID:Ex9LNDR80
新曲出した時ぐらいは出てほしいと思うよなぁ
TMGEとかブランキーやギターウルフとか、別にTVに出ても問題無かったわけだし
矢沢や長渕みたいにバランスよく活動できてればいいと思うよ
I do wish for the bands to at least appear on TV whenever they have a new song. 
There wasn't any problem even when bands like TMGE, BLANKEY, and Guitar Wolf went on TV.
They should be able to balance their projects well like Yazawa and Nagabuchi.

143: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:26:58 ID:Zy5CGAT50
熱心なファンでもバンドを食わしてくれるわけじゃないから
生きていくためにはニワカも必要なんだってわかってやれよ
I hope these passionate fans realize that they're not the ones who bring food to the tables of these bands, and that they still need these bandwagoners in order to survive.
157: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:32:10 ID:dr2g/H1+0
マキシマムザホルモンやDIR EN GREYが
テレビ番組で全く取り上げられないのとは違うでしょ
But it's a totally different thing from bands like MAXIMUM THE HORMONE and DIR EN GREY never being talked about on TV programs, right?

184: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:40:52 ID:93l9D/520
>>157
一度で良いからそう言うコアな連中だけが出るMステが観てみたい
すっごくピリっとした空気が流れるんだろうな 苦情も覚悟でやってくれないかな
Honestly, I want to see at least one Music Station episode that consists only of those core bands. I bet the atmosphere there would be so touchy, and the station ought to be ready for complaints. 
199: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:50:54 ID:XA9JXN8X0
>>157
ホルモンは民放の音楽番組は断っているみたいだね
Mステは本人出演こそないが、地獄絵図ライブの映像が流れたことはあるよ
ダイスケはんとナヲちゃんがタモリ倶楽部に出演したことはある(笑)
I heard that HORMONE has been rejecting offers to appear on these commercial music shows. They never made personal appearances on Music Station, but the footage of their Jigoku-ezu concert was shown. Though there was a time when Daisuke-han and Nawo-chan were on Tamori Club. (LOL) 


http://img5.blogs.yahoo.co.jp/ybi/1/96/da/den23361/folder/688472/img_688472_28225378_1?1301229239
252: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 16:12:55 ID:+k2l3UmM0
>>157
DIR EN GREYはヤバそうだな
昔のMステ出演ですら既に伝説なのにwww
DIR EN GREY would be so epic.
To think that their past Music Station appearance was already considered legendary www


http://yfrog.com/scaled/landing/620/3cmteb.jpg
159: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:32:46 ID:Ex9LNDR80
なんかTVに出ない連中を悪く言うけど、
ただでさえ今は音楽番組は少ないし
情報番組で取り上げられるのは更に金やら事務所・スポンサーの意向等の力関係がものをいうだろうし
そんな簡単なもんじゃないと思うが・・・どうなんだろ?
People are badmouthing these bands who don't appear on TV but consider the fact that there aren't that many music programs anymore these days.
Money, agency authority, and sponsor's demands speak volumes when there's something you want to feature on your program.
I don't really think it's that easy... What do you think?
175: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:37:32 ID:0vx6qX5p0
>>159
出たいけど出させてもらえないっていうバンドの方が多いな
There must be a whole lot more bands who would love to guest on these shows, but they can't
215: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:57:12 ID:ubnYI49R0
>>159
ロキノン厨、ロキノン厨と騒いでる奴が元ロキノン厨だからw

かつての自分を恥ずかしく思い、罵声を浴びせている
Guys who call people ROKINON-chu this and ROKINON-chu that are former ROKINON-chus themselves.
They feel embarrassed by these people who remind them of their former selves and lash out at them.
163: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:33:13 ID:esFY+KrB0
テレビで見るのが嫌なら見なければ良いだけなのに意味がわからない
If you don't want to see them on TV then just don't tune in. I don't get it.
182: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:39:52 ID:k9ktehUyI
モンゴル800がMステで披露した小さな恋のうたを
聞いてショックだったわ、、、
I got shocked when Mongol800 played "Chiisana koi no uta" on Music Station...
185: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:41:40 ID:m0VLBi9T0
小さい頃タトゥーの変わりで演奏したミッシェルみて好きになったなあ
I started to like MICHELLE when they played in place of tatu though
http://cdn-ak.f.st-hatena.com/images/fotolife/g/gumi_01_30/20110721/20110721020600.jpg
187: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:42:34 ID:EjqV5TVcI
フェスに音圧だけで誤魔化してノリを演出してるようなバンドは
テレビ画面でボーカルの声が割合にわかるように流れると
大抵がっかりするんだよね
実力も努力も足りないからだと思うな
Bands who just blast the volume of their instruments during festivals and cover up their shortcomings will more often than not disappoint on TV once the volume of the vocals is mixed properly with the other instruments. I think those bands just lack ability and the effort to hone their craft.
200: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:51:48 ID:WsM2GNqu0
気持ちは分かる
自爆が怖いんだよな
テレビは結構影響力があるから
I understand how they feel.
They're scared the bands might f*ck up.
TV definitely has the power to influence people.
209: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:56:11 ID:ndtjH51P0
テレビに出て欲しくないとか言う割に、最近のチャートはどうのこうのと言うよね
露出しなきゃ売れないっつーのに矛盾してるよ
So these people don't want their favorite bands appearing on TV yet they complain about the recent music charts.
They're just contradicting themselves. How would these bands sell more unless they get some exposure?
221: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:59:32 ID:pLu3jsv60
>>209
テレビなんてもう誰も観てないからな
出たところで露出効果ないし売上には関係なくなってきてる
But no one watches TV anymore,
It's not like their exposure will increase even if they do, and it doesn't even translate to sales.
228: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 16:03:16 ID:YviRltHk0
昔はTVに出ない=隠れた実力派、みたいなのが多かったけど
今となってはTVに出ない=単に実力がないだけ、になってしまったな
特にその代表がロキノンなんだろうな
In the past, artists who didn't appear on TV = hidden talents.
Now it's more simple: artists who didn't appear on TV = talentless.
That's especially the case for ROKINON.
239: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 16:06:40 ID:9xetuobA0
昔はこれが普通の考えだったよな
テレビ出るのは歌手でアーティストは出ないっていう
今のロキノンみたいな考えが至極当然に支持されてた
This was the normal way of thinking in the past.
The singers appear on TV while artists don't.
The philosophy of these ROKINONs these days used to be supported.
242: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 16:07:35 ID:EpK8cI8m0
選曲に関してはわかるな。同じようなミュージシャンが同じような曲ばかり
やるから勘弁してくれって思うわ。もっと他に良い曲あるだろっていう。
『少しでもメジャーな曲を』
という方針で決定してるんだろうが、売れた曲といっても数十万とかだろ。
マイナーじゃん。1億数千万のうちの数十万。だったら非シングルも含めて
純粋に良い曲を披露させればいいのに。
数字とろうと必死すぎ。そのくせ数字とれてないしw

About the song selection, I totally get that. I sometimes think "Gimme a break!" when all these similar musicians play similar types of songs. I know that there ought to be better songs in their repertoire. The producers just decide on what they'll play by choosing a song that slightly made waves on the music charts, but even if you say so, that's only a few thousand copies sold. It's still considered minor. It's just a few thousands out of millions and billions of records sold out there. That's why I'm with the guy who said that they should play the truly good songs on the programs. The producers are just too desperate for ratings, and yet they aren't getting any.
234: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 16:05:45 ID:E/pmn9pO0
これ聞いてる俺カッケえええええええええええええ!!!
"I'm so cool since I listen to this!!!!!!!!!!!!"




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