Friday, October 18, 2013

Why do these "Rockin' on" fans hate it when their favorite bands appear on TV?

1: ◆YKPE.6U.2. @ゆきぺφ ★ 2013/09/27 14:51:45
"This might be a stereotypical answer, but I really become sad when my favorite band appears on TV" --- is what this SEKAI NO OWARI and self-proclaimed "Rockin'on fan" Akira (21, college student) said.

Bands who appear in the monthly music magazines "ROCKIN'ON" and "ROCKIN'ON JAPAN" are generalized as "ROCKIN'ON-kei", or "ROKINON-kei". These are the bands that rarely get exposure on TV music programs and are almost never on the major hit charts, but focus their activities on rock festivals. Fans of such bands are called "ROKINON-kei boy (or girl)" and "ROKINON-chu".

And just like Mr. Akira, there are a lot of ROKINON-chus who aren't too hunky-dory with their favorite bands making TV appearances. Why is that? Here are some reasons according to the fans.

(Continued after the jump)


1: ◆YKPE.6U.2. @ゆきぺφ ★ 2013/09/27 14:51:45
1) The favorite members don't get focused on by the camera.
"Most fans are not pleased with the cut distribution. They just mainly focus their cameras on the vocalist. I'm dissatisfied since the bassist that I like doesn't get any airtime." (21 y/o male - 9mm Parabellum Bullet fan)

2) Dissatisfied with the song selection.
"I always think 'This isn't the kind of song that will justify the abilities of this band! This producer just chose a song that's suited for TV!' and feel a kind of anger." (25 y/o male - MAXIMUM THE HORMONE fan) 

3) They don't sing the bridge of the songs most of the time.
"I hate it how they have to cut the songs short on TV due to the time constraints. I think that the bridge is the part where the vocalist's emotions are at its peak, and that's were the gist of the message lies in. And for that part to be cut..." (32 y/o male - Mr. Children fan)

4) There's a sound register that cannot be heard through the TV.
"The sound coming from the rhythm group (drum and bass) aren't recreated faithfully. Well, that's the fault of the speakers, but that means I just have to buy an expensive surround system (LOL)" (25 y/o SPECIAL OTHERS fan)

And there are of course the more common reasons aside from these musical factors here, just like what Mr. Akira who opened this article said, "As a long-time fan of this band, it makes me sad to see them 'sell-out' and be liked by the general public".
7: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 14:53:21 ID:UOae0b/I0
Which goes to show how Bump of Chicken are pretty consistent in their beliefs
(* Bump has continuously declined offers to appear on Music Station and the like since they didn't like the idea of their songs being cut short, and they don't want attracting attention even if they're just walking down the street.)

9: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 14:53:31 ID:DvPGVfll0
It's the same as the otakus who hate it when TV reports about their favorite mangas or animes, huh
13: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 14:55:35 ID:x+tAQtJp0
That's totally me...
14: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 14:56:09 ID:vkGnqfld0
>1) The favorite members don't get focused on by the camera.
Isn't that the same as the wotas of these idol groups with a large number of members?
25: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 14:58:06 ID:43hpfFRk0
There's just a fine line between rock and idols, so you can say that this is natural
28: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 14:59:50 ID:LME8nlAPO
But I was happy when Spiral Life, Cornelius, and SUNNY DAY SERVICE appeared on Tamori-Stationthough

38: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:01:53 ID:pyPEGGiA0
ファンだったミュージシャン 売れてからはもうどうでもいい
I couldn't care less about the musician whom I used to be a fan of once he becomes popular
41: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:03:04 ID:OminkN1/0
People just need to calm down and think of it as something like a promotional video or something.
44: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:03:40 ID:JxJVt5dC0
Why are these fans against these bands promoting their songs? LOL
If they don't sell enough records, their contracts will be cancelled which will lead to the band breaking up. Do they think that these bands will keep on existing for all of eternity?
62: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:08:06 ID:tichAk1c0
There are still people who want these bands to just keep doing concerts instead of hearing their songs sounding differently on TV
45: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:04:04 ID:fp3X2Tu20
The people who liked listening to folk music 40 years ago were like this as well
51: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:05:29 ID:0vx6qX5p0
Sakanaction's all over TV, and at this rate, they're also going to the Kouhaku. They're great!
And even with all that, the songs they release are all high-quality.

56: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:06:48 ID:+K+/J4np0
I don't think there are people who still say things like this these days.
To think that you can't even sell CDs anymore in these times.
64: team℃-uteアーバンアサルトベーグル ◆HH4IFgMTjc 2013/09/27 15:08:21 ID:9lbgzIHM0
"Look, I'm so cool since I promote such minor, manic bands"
66: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:08:31 ID:pLrl9lZ50
But what about progressive rock bands who can't even get on broadcasts due to their lengthy songs.
67: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:08:59 ID:CGsGpiXvO
I'll quit being a fan if POLYSICS appears on TV.
For some reason though, they were in a Pocky commercial last year, but I'm glad it didn't become too popular.

76: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:11:26 ID:tP+r58Vd0
We don't need fans like you who have these mysterious beliefs
82: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:13:35 ID:4jxM6Nrg0
I don't mind these fans hating on TV appearances, but that in itself questions how big of a fan one person is. These artists will cease to stay active if no one buys their CDs which is the bulk source of their income. And no matter how big the concerts are, these won't earn them that much; just like their videos and stuff. If fans still have the mindset of wanting to hear their song but have no intention of buying their CDs, then these singers themselves will have no choice but to depend on the talent fees they'll receive from TV.
100: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:16:53 ID:2jhgBdCp0
Err, but they'll be earning more with concerts + merchandise compared to CDs selling just a few thousand copies. Even Izam said that.
88: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:14:28 ID:vkGnqfld0
HEY!HEY!HEY! was the best when they were featuring all these ROKINON-kei bands
111: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:18:52 ID:kDuA2Ghs0
Yeah, there really was much more variety before.
It was really good.
I'll never forget the episode with Guitar Wolf.
91: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:14:53 ID:BY9AJTxc0
So let's ignore these pathetic fans like the one in >>1. I'm fine with them going on TV, but people probably don't want these bands being joked around by the comedians so they'd rather not see them there. And the sense of gratefulness one holds towards these artists will decrease if you see them too much on TV. I think that's the normal reaction.
95: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:15:52 ID:pLu3jsv60
The level of Japanese television has been historically low, so these kind of things really happen
93: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:15:17 ID:TCcPjl2S0
Yeah, especially when foreign musicians guest on our music shows, I'm the one who feels embarassed. Especially when they're with idols, I just can't bear to watch that. LOL
96: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:16:03 ID:EjqV5TVcI
Because their cover will be blown if they sing live on TV.
That's what I think.
97: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:16:13 ID:JhJVDH9/0
There's this strange theory that the bands who don't appear on TV are cool.
And it's mostly the highschoolers who think that way.
I was also like that back then so I think I understand these fans.
104: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:17:35 ID:jlxnMWpP0
Because these people won't be able to brag that they know these minor bands anymore
106: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:17:44 ID:OminkN1/0
It seems that there are always these half-a$$ed fans who just always want to prevent people becoming new fans.
109: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:18:15 ID:ja/19DKd0
There's actually no more need to appear on TV since it's already considered a thing of the past
114: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:19:25 ID:+71vP1a/0
Until a while back, the term ROKINON-chu used to refer to these kids who liked Nirvana, Radiohead, Primal Scream, Sonic Youth, and the like, though
133: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:23:43 ID:tichAk1c0
Right, it didn't have this kind of meaning
116: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:19:31 ID:Cj5FN0iS0
When I was a ROKINON-chu, I used to feel so disappointed when U2 appeared on Hit Studio. I think that was about 20 years ago.
120: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:21:03 ID:M+FwXrSj0
I bet these bands actually want to be on TV and provide songs for Johnny's and such. Especially these bands who have debuted on major labels, they definitely think that way even if they aren't talking about it.
124: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:21:40 ID:EjqV5TVcI
There are a lot of cases where even these world class bands who usually play as the final act at various music festivals appear on Music Station. Yup, even those big name bands. That's because there's no worry of them making any kind of mistake. They won't dare sing live if the vocalist is horrible.
139: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:24:20 ID:Ex9LNDR80
I do wish for the bands to at least appear on TV whenever they have a new song. 
There wasn't any problem even when bands like TMGE, BLANKEY, and Guitar Wolf went on TV.
They should be able to balance their projects well like Yazawa and Nagabuchi.

143: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:26:58 ID:Zy5CGAT50
I hope these passionate fans realize that they're not the ones who bring food to the tables of these bands, and that they still need these bandwagoners in order to survive.
157: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:32:10 ID:dr2g/H1+0
マキシマムザホルモンやDIR EN GREYが
But it's a totally different thing from bands like MAXIMUM THE HORMONE and DIR EN GREY never being talked about on TV programs, right?

184: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:40:52 ID:93l9D/520
すっごくピリっとした空気が流れるんだろうな 苦情も覚悟でやってくれないかな
Honestly, I want to see at least one Music Station episode that consists only of those core bands. I bet the atmosphere there would be so touchy, and the station ought to be ready for complaints. 
199: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:50:54 ID:XA9JXN8X0
I heard that HORMONE has been rejecting offers to appear on these commercial music shows. They never made personal appearances on Music Station, but the footage of their Jigoku-ezu concert was shown. Though there was a time when Daisuke-han and Nawo-chan were on Tamori Club. (LOL)
252: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 16:12:55 ID:+k2l3UmM0
DIR EN GREYはヤバそうだな
DIR EN GREY would be so epic.
To think that their past Music Station appearance was already considered legendary www
159: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:32:46 ID:Ex9LNDR80
People are badmouthing these bands who don't appear on TV but consider the fact that there aren't that many music programs anymore these days.
Money, agency authority, and sponsor's demands speak volumes when there's something you want to feature on your program.
I don't really think it's that easy... What do you think?
175: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:37:32 ID:0vx6qX5p0
There must be a whole lot more bands who would love to guest on these shows, but they can't
215: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:57:12 ID:ubnYI49R0

Guys who call people ROKINON-chu this and ROKINON-chu that are former ROKINON-chus themselves.
They feel embarrassed by these people who remind them of their former selves and lash out at them.
163: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:33:13 ID:esFY+KrB0
If you don't want to see them on TV then just don't tune in. I don't get it.
182: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:39:52 ID:k9ktehUyI
I got shocked when Mongol800 played "Chiisana koi no uta" on Music Station...
185: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:41:40 ID:m0VLBi9T0
I started to like MICHELLE when they played in place of tatu though
187: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:42:34 ID:EjqV5TVcI
Bands who just blast the volume of their instruments during festivals and cover up their shortcomings will more often than not disappoint on TV once the volume of the vocals is mixed properly with the other instruments. I think those bands just lack ability and the effort to hone their craft.
200: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:51:48 ID:WsM2GNqu0
I understand how they feel.
They're scared the bands might f*ck up.
TV definitely has the power to influence people.
209: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:56:11 ID:ndtjH51P0
So these people don't want their favorite bands appearing on TV yet they complain about the recent music charts.
They're just contradicting themselves. How would these bands sell more unless they get some exposure?
221: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 15:59:32 ID:pLu3jsv60
But no one watches TV anymore,
It's not like their exposure will increase even if they do, and it doesn't even translate to sales.
228: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 16:03:16 ID:YviRltHk0
In the past, artists who didn't appear on TV = hidden talents.
Now it's more simple: artists who didn't appear on TV = talentless.
That's especially the case for ROKINON.
239: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 16:06:40 ID:9xetuobA0
This was the normal way of thinking in the past.
The singers appear on TV while artists don't.
The philosophy of these ROKINONs these days used to be supported.
242: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 16:07:35 ID:EpK8cI8m0

About the song selection, I totally get that. I sometimes think "Gimme a break!" when all these similar musicians play similar types of songs. I know that there ought to be better songs in their repertoire. The producers just decide on what they'll play by choosing a song that slightly made waves on the music charts, but even if you say so, that's only a few thousand copies sold. It's still considered minor. It's just a few thousands out of millions and billions of records sold out there. That's why I'm with the guy who said that they should play the truly good songs on the programs. The producers are just too desperate for ratings, and yet they aren't getting any.
234: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/09/27 16:05:45 ID:E/pmn9pO0
"I'm so cool since I listen to this!!!!!!!!!!!!"

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