Thursday, October 24, 2013

Ken Yokoyama: "Sakanaction could have been selling 2 million copies 10 years ago"





1: ◆YKPE.6U.2. @ゆきぺφ ★ 2013/10/17(木) 14:33:36.12 ID:???0
(Partial translation)
--There seems to be a lot of bands who are doing well in both their concert ticket and merchandise sales. 

Yokoyama: 
Yes, merchandise and concert ticket sales are doing well. Most especially for touring bands, merchandise sales really is their life line. People will keep attending concerts as long as these bands stay cool. Why? Because you may be able to create copies of CDs and books, but you can never copy experience.

And that is why these bands can still earn a living through their concert sales even if their CDs don't sell well. But whatever the case, these bands will still need a manager, for example, a person who could negotiate with the concert venues how much they will be able to earn per concert.

But just doing concerts aimlessly won't bring in the profits. These bands should look at things on a long-term perspective, make use of various connections, and only then will they be able to earn a living from touring. But it has become increasingly difficult to achieve such dreams of being a musician, and to once again achieve the glory that the Hi-Standard achieved back in the '90s. This is truly mortifying as a musician, and I also feel a bit sorry for the bands now since we were able to have a taste of the good life when the times were still in the music industry's favor.

--You feel sorry?

Yokoyama:
There are times that I feel bad when I see stuff like Yamaguchi-kun of Sakanaction's tweets. I'm sure that this band could have sold a million records, or 2 even,  if they were just around 10 years earlier. I also feel this way for the CD shops that are so desperate now. I'm sure that there were a lot of shops back in the late '90s which earned money when they sold our CDs, and other artists' CDs. This is also true for the other retail stores. I feel bad, since they're all going up against this goliath called Amazon... How are you planning on going up against that?

Entire interview here:

Ken Yokoyama
http://realsound.jp/images/20131016-yokoyama-03.jpg

Sakanaction
http://sp.ro69.jp/images/entry/640x520/61315/1.jpg

Ichiro Yamaguchi
http://magabon.yomiuri.co.jp/special/voice/common/images/photo255_02.jpg


31: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/10/17(木) 14:44:43.48 ID:DCFc2FjX0
ハイスタの奴か
クレイジーケンバンドの横山剣かと思ってびっくりしたわ
Oh, the one in Hi-Standard.
I thought it was Ken Yokoyama of the Crazy Ken Band.
http://musicshelf.jp/html/special53/images/top_title.jpg
444: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/10/17(木) 16:02:36.44 ID:7JWBzMUz0
>>31
違うのか
It isn't him?
507: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/10/17(木) 16:16:07.36 ID:Qy25/kzh0
>>31
剣じゃなかったのか
わかりにくい
So it isn't that Ken?
This is so confusing.
62: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/10/17(木) 14:52:45.39 ID:jXkY57x/0
>>31読むまで、クレイジーケンバンドの方だと思ってた。

ハイスタンダードって何百万枚も売れた曲あんの?
CDが凄く売れた時期でも、オリコンに乗った事ないだろ。
I also thought it was the guy from Crazy Ken Band until I read >>31.
Does Hi-Standard have a song that was able to sell over a million copies?
They weren't even on the Oricon charts when CDs were still selling like crazy, right?
http://img5.blogs.yahoo.co.jp/ybi/1/cd/1a/kawasemisubuta/folder/415722/img_415722_4732564_0
72: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/10/17(木) 14:55:37.64 ID:ss0eSxS70
>>62 
MAKING THE ROADが売れただけ
It's just that "MAKING THE ROAD" sold a lot


74: 名無しさん 2013/10/17(木) 14:55:49.59 ID:ly1jS65J0
>>62
ラブ・イズ・ア・バトルフィールドは普通にHEYHEYのTOPランキング入ってきてたが。当時は自社レーベルですげぇと思ったわ。
"Love is a Battlefield" actually entered HEYHEY's top ranking. I actually thought they were amazing since they had an independent label at that time.
75: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/10/17(木) 14:55:56.42 ID:0Dc/fMf60
>>62
最後のアルバムが確か二位だったよ。
一位ラルクで。
百万枚近くは売れていたはず。
Their last album was 2nd if I remember correctly.
1st was L'Arc.
I think it almost reached a million copies sold.
104: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/10/17(木) 15:01:09.22 ID:4kgQBJcA0
>>62
ハイスタはmaking the roadが国内外合わせてミリオン行ってたはず
しかも自主レーベルだから相当儲けたバンド
Hi-Sta's "Making the road" should have surpassed the million mark if you combine its local and international sales. And they were independent back then so this band really earned a ton.
5: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/10/17(木) 14:34:53.25 ID:qJkxLae50
いや200万は無理だろ
Nah, 2 million would've been impossible
17: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/10/17(木) 14:37:33.49 ID:oHeFDPbW0
100万も微妙だろ
They probably won't even be able to sell a million back then
24: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/10/17(木) 14:40:12.69 ID:ZQRCutiU0
サカナクションはツイッターでどんな悲しいことを呟いてんだよ
おかずが一品増えたとかか
How sad were Sakanaction's tweets?
Like "Today, I got to eat a spoonful more than what I ate yesterday" ?
http://mantan-web.jp/gallery/2012/09/01/20120901dog00m200024000c/image/003.jpg
43: 名無しさん 2013/10/17(木) 14:49:21.47 ID:ly1jS65J0
>>24
逆に、おかずいよいよ無くなったんじゃね
Or maybe he actually doesn't have anything to eat anymore?
28: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/10/17(木) 14:42:36.73 ID:7vFR5aWh0
10年早かったらあんな音楽やってないでしょ
したがって売れてない
But they probably wouldn't be doing that kind of music 10 years ago.
Therefore, they couldn't have sold a lot.

35: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/10/17(木) 14:46:46.35 ID:X2dIQzKf0
おじいちゃんにお薬出しておいて
Can someone please give this old guy his medicine?
40: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/10/17(木) 14:48:45.84 ID:iQqoxj8D0
200万ってスピッツクラスでも無理なのに
2 million? Even someone on the level of SPITZ wasn't able to achieve that.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_EjN4VfyPk7M/TOTnrp4TGSI/AAAAAAAAAAM/INNmuAsL5is/s1600/spitz_photo.jpg
45: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/10/17(木) 14:49:38.23 ID:03k97Abg0
そりゃ糞みたいな一発屋が売れてた時代もあるんだから
売れてたかもはしれんがな
Well, a lot of one-hit-wonders did sell well back in those days.
True, they could've produced mega sellers back then.
49: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/10/17(木) 14:50:04.81 ID:ewJyj2WL0
宇多田光が最後で最高の勝ち逃げ組。
Hikaru Utada was the last, and the best to come from that era.
http://up.gc-img.net/post_img/2013/02/oB1XlvVr66CJZ5E_nPJVC_38.jpeg
59: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/10/17(木) 14:52:14.67 ID:JS5/Ifkz0
CDが売れなくなったのはアマゾンが、ネットが、より前だよね
CD sales started dropping before people can even complain about Amazon and the Internet, right?
67: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/10/17(木) 14:54:25.53 ID:bvRtWLRsi
10年前に似たような音楽をやってたスーパーカーはもっと売れてなかったじゃないかw
But what about Supercar who played the same kind of music 10 years ago? They were even less popular, right?
http://blog-imgs-19.fc2.com/c/o/s/cosmicairplaneayako/20080221230451.jpg
86: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/10/17(木) 14:58:19.52 ID:pkNuJND70
篠原ともえが全盛のときyoutubeとかあったら世界的バカ売れしてたかもなって思うことはある。
There are times when I would think that Tomoe Shinohara could have sold an insane amount of records internationally if YouTube already existed during her peak.
http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/uwasainfo/imgs/8/0/8010f64f.jpg
95: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/10/17(木) 14:59:40.34 ID:Yx6a/ZLe0
文句はyoutubeに言え
Direct your complaints at YouTube
97: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/10/17(木) 14:59:55.92 ID:dLyF/zkyi
ムーンチャイルドみたいな一発屋にはなれたかもな

この手のバンドは90年代も腐る程あったし
They probably could have become a one-hit-wonder like MOON CHILD back then.
These kinds of bands were rampant back in the '90s anyway.
103: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/10/17(木) 15:00:54.60 ID:FLgIi/j50
バブル時代なら自分も大手企業に就職できたと思い込んでるゆとりと同じ思考だろ
That's the same way of thinking as these people from the yutori generation, saying that even they could have joined a major company if they lived in the bubble era
112: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/10/17(木) 15:02:15.92 ID:/wGb+sqQO
そもそも過去が異様だったんだよ 
今が並だろ


歌歌ってるだけで生きていけるだけでもありがたく思えやカス
It's just that the past was abnormal.
These times right now are normal.

This dirtbag should be grateful that he's earning a living just by singing songs.
116: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/10/17(木) 15:02:49.44 ID:rFJVV3dQ0
200万とかwww 

100も無理だろ
2 million? www
Even a million would have been impossible.
120: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/10/17(木) 15:03:48.29 ID:2CUGuNz70
逆に90年代だったらこういうバンドって埋れてもっと売れなかったんじゃねw
Actually, I think this sort of band wouldn't have stood out if they were in the '90s and would've probably sold less than they do now.
122: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/10/17(木) 15:04:02.48 ID:O1XItcTx0
> サカナクションの山口くんのツイートとか、見てて辛くなる時があるもん。

ごく普通のツイートだと思うがどの辺が辛いんだろうか 食生活?

山口 一郎 @SAKANAICHIRO 9月16日
制作の隙間、暗い部屋で一人レトルトの麻婆丼を食べていたら、不意に強烈な虚しさに襲われた。毎日同じ景色、同じ悩み、同じ行動。ちょっと疲れてきたかも。

山口 一郎 @SAKANAICHIRO 8月25日
今日のレコーディングは、うねってた。最終的に前へ進めて安心したから、コンビニ弁当プラス納豆で晩御飯。ただいま

>There are times that I feel bad when I see stuff like Yamaguchi-kun of Sakanaction's tweets.
I think these are pretty normal tweets. What's so painful about this? His food?

Ichiro Yamaguchi SAKANAICHIRO Sept. 16
As I was taking a break from production eating this processed Mapo tofu-don alone in a dark room, I was suddenly attacked by a strong feeling of emptiness. It's the same sights, same problems and same actions each and every single day. I think I'm getting a bit tired.

Ichiro Yamaguchi SAKANAICHIRO Aug. 25
We were able to make a surge with today's recording. I feel relieved since we were eventually able to advance so I'm helping myself to a convenience store obento plus natto beans. I'm home.
253: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/10/17(木) 15:25:50.09 ID:K8hYzyOV0
>>122
コイツは、飯に興味ないっていうか、釣りと音楽があれば満足できるヤツだろ
This is the type of guy who isn't particular with his food, but is happy as long as he can fish and play his music, right?
258: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/10/17(木) 15:26:33.79 ID:9muvvQsr0
>>122
これはわびしいなあw確かに。
Wow, that's actually pretty miserable w
138: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/10/17(木) 15:05:33.78 ID:OwqzxS6Qi
初期の作品とかいい曲あるし、間違ってはいないと思う
90年代よりレベル高いよ
They did have good songs at the beginning so I think Ken here is correct.
Their level is much higher than those in the '90s.



146: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/10/17(木) 15:07:03.54 ID:34Y7pwKv0
昔は一発当てれば旧作も売れてすぐ何十万と行ったんだけどね
だからレコード会社も長い目で面倒見てた
But back in the day, once you register a hit, it will also help boost the sales of your older albums and would eventually boost the sales by a few hundred thousand. And that's why even the record companies were patient with these bands.
152: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/10/17(木) 15:08:43.18 ID:BJxE/HwA0
サカナクションって、なんかYMOから進歩してない感じ。
あまり音楽の歴史上、意味が無いというか。
I don't think that Sakanaction has made any progress from YMO (Yellow Magic Orchestra).
In a sense, it doesn't hold any meaning in musical history.
http://560b.sakura.ne.jp/sblo_files/kichi-project/image/ymo.jpg
157: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/10/17(木) 15:10:07.19 ID:eCc6VBd50
バンプが10年、いや5年早ければミスチルクラスだっただろうけどな
Bump would have probably reached Mr. Children's level if they came out 10, no, 5 years earlier.


211: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/10/17(木) 15:20:12.38 ID:Q+74kHgM0
>>157
バンプは編曲と作曲が微妙だからそれはない
But Bump's arrangements and compositions are a bit off so I don't think that's the case
162: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/10/17(木) 15:11:31.87 ID:uTm0YNgO0
でもチャンスは増えたんじゃない
YouTubeで歌あげて上手ければプロになれるじゃん


海外とかだと
But people are given more opportunities now.
They get their song on YouTube, and if they're good, they can become pros.
Like, internationally.
179: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/10/17(木) 15:15:07.66 ID:AnXpyq7g0
昔はショボい音楽でもミリオン達成してたからな
サカナクションはもっと早く出てきたらトップになれたわ
Even those lame-a$$ songs sold millions back in the day.
Sakanaction could have reached the top if they just came out a bit earlier.
213: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/10/17(木) 15:20:19.50 ID:IC5AbSan0
10年前って2003年だろう
もうそんなにバカ売れする時代じゃなくね
まあ95~97年あたりにいたら可能性はあったかもしれんが
10 years ago... that was 2003.
But that wasn't a time when CDs were flying off shelves anymore.
It would have probably been possible if it was from 1995~1997.
229: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/10/17(木) 15:22:48.80 ID:eCPWl52N0
>>213
あのころでもオレンジレンジのアルバムとか200万枚ぐらい売れてなかったっけ?

なんであんなに人気あったんだろう

しかもあっというまに消えたし
But didn't Orange Range's album sell about 2 million copies back then?
I really wonder why they were so popular then.
And they also disappeared so soon.
219: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/10/17(木) 15:21:44.37 ID:bBXR7DcyO
このバンド
1度も聴いたことは無いが
おそらく言ってる事は正しい
ユニコーンや、BUCK-TICKだって売れたんだから
それに倣えばミリオン出しても不思議は無い
I have never heard this band even once, but I think what's said about them was true.
If you think that even bands like Unicorn and BUCK-TICK did well, then it won't be a surprise if they sold over a million.
235: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/10/17(木) 15:23:59.08 ID:lNRT1fH10
むしろなぜ10年前は阿呆みたいなのでも100万、200万枚も売れてたのか
Actually, the question here is why even some of those stupid ones were able to sell millions 10 years ago.
255: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/10/17(木) 15:26:23.75 ID:RaV/FxIn0
10年前で一番売れたのは世界に一つだけの花の200万枚か
サカナクションはそんな売れる訳がないわなアンセム系の曲出してるバンドじゃないのに
The song that sold the most 10 years ago was Sekai ni hitotsu dake no hana's 2 million.
There's no way Sakanaction would sell that much. It's not like they're a band who releases anthemic songs.



266: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/10/17(木) 15:27:32.39 ID:eCc6VBd50
サカナは正直どうかなと思うけど
ワンオクはポルノくらいは売れてただろ
I honestly wonder about how Sakana would have done, but ONE OK would have probably sold as much as Porno Graffitti
292: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/10/17(木) 15:31:47.76 ID:9muvvQsr0
海外では今はどうなの?海外もあんまり売れなくなったの?音楽。
Then what about overseas? Isn't music selling that much overseas as well?
307: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/10/17(木) 15:34:07.13 ID:SpapClHc0
>>292
DLとアナログ回帰
CDはほとんど需要がなくなった
Download, and return to analog.
There's not that much demand for CDs anymore.
293: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/10/17(木) 15:32:00.03 ID:mavWrT5Ui
せいぜい10万だろ
They'd probably only sell 100,000
349: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/10/17(木) 15:41:04.40 ID:Er2twAd80
ねーよw
いきものがかりとかはそうかもしれんけど
No way w
But that might be the case with Ikimonogakari.

358: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/10/17(木) 15:42:32.90 ID:2jZcFof10
90年代の売れ方がオカシイだけで
今のような売れ方が本来のCDの売れ方。
It's just that CD sales were crazy in the '90s.
The sales these days are much more normal.
414: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/10/17(木) 15:54:22.90 ID:mX/FKcKJ0
それじゃあサカナクションの良曲を聴きましょう
Well then, let's listen to a good song from Sakanaction

423: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/10/17(木) 15:59:03.81 ID:4CaUtPgQ0
>>414
悪くないけど、やっぱりエレクトロニカなのに気持ちよくない。
It isn't bad, but it doesn't feel too good even if it's electronica
442: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/10/17(木) 16:02:14.50 ID:H2R0ZL0+0
>>414
いくつか聞いてみたけど
裏声を混ぜ込むタイプなのか、すげー苦手だわ・・・
曲自体はくるり後期を真似たバンドっぽいんだな
I listened to a few of their songs. So he throws in falsettos in his songs, huh? I'm not too fond of that...
But the songs sound like Quruli's latter stages.
925: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/10/17(木) 18:16:11.94 ID:RCAMlVkH0
>>414
こんなの200万なんて、どの時代でも売れないだろ
コアなファンとかつくかもしれないけどさ
There won't be a single era where these guys could have sold 2 million.
But they will have some core fans, though.
431: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/10/17(木) 16:00:23.73 ID:6hKMnxrB0
こんな奴が200万なら電気グループは300万売れただろ
If these guys can sell 2 million, then Denki Groove would sell 3 million
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41C9Oy1cNjL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
437: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/10/17(木) 16:01:19.08 ID:tDIipvpv0
サカナクションは売れても30万ぐらいだろう
But Sakanaction would only sell about 300,000 even if they do manage to make it big
463: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/10/17(木) 16:06:38.40 ID:mWpVMw750
まあ冷静に考えて今時バンドサウンドなんて流行らないよな
売れようなんて思って始めないだろ?
いいじゃん好きでやってるなら
Well, if you think about it calmly, the "band sound" won't be a hit these days. They themselves probably don't think that they're going to sell bucketloads when they decided to pursue this. Just let them do what they want.
376: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/10/17(木) 15:47:02.21 ID:rhSHe2As0
おまえらよりは、横山健の言ってることのの方が信頼できるわ
But I'd rather believe what Ken Yokoyama says than what you guys would


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