マジで!? MAJI DE!?: TOKIO may be idols, but how are they as a band?

Saturday, October 19, 2013

TOKIO may be idols, but how are they as a band?

1：ドレミファ名無シド 2013/04/16(火) 13:25:19.45 ID:nhlephwP

そこんとこどうなの？
How about it?

http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/ainbekker-news2/imgs/2/5/2518f327-s.jpg

7：ドレミファ名無シド 2013/04/18(木) 15:40:57.20 ID:kKo+++rG

20年やってるんだからそれなりに弾けるだろ

They've been at it for 20 years so they can probably play their instruments well

13：ドレミファ名無シド 2013/04/19(金) 16:58:35.44 ID:qLzUEfN5

演奏はあまり上手そうに見えないが何気に高価な機材使ってるよな

They don't really look like good players but they're using pretty expensive equipment

http://stat.ameba.jp/user_images/20120728/07/tomocyan07/f5/9a/j/t02200243_0500055312102497860.jpg

17：ドレミファ名無シド 2013/04/21(日) 12:09:18.00 ID:yhdQC+Rc

城島楽器とかありそうな名前
商店街にある
つぶれそうでつぶれない店
I feel that there's a shop named Joshima Instruments out there somewhere, like in a shopping district, and it's the type that you think would go bankrupt anytime soon, but is still surviving against the odds.

18：ドレミファ名無シド 2013/04/21(日) 12:13:02.26 ID:yhdQC+Rc

テレビでリーダーの弾くギターが

コロコロ変わってるが

メーカーからうちのギター使ってくれと

提供があるのかなあ？

女の子達からも

私を試奏してとオファーが多かったりして

The guitar leader uses seems to keep changing every now and then.

Could it be that the makers are providing them with the instruments and asking them to play these on TV?

Could there also be girls who approach him and say, "Will you try playing me too?"

http://jmania.jp/jblog/files/2013/03/jjoushima03.jpg

21：ドレミファ名無シド 2013/04/21(日) 13:10:28.80 ID:ti2t92YD: >>18

5人とも普通のミュージシャン同様にメーカーと契約

松岡と国分のローディーも、ジュニアをこき使うのではなくメーカー派遣

ツアー時や歌番組も、メーカーが器材からセッティングまで全部用意

無論、それぞれ個人でのコレクションもあるが

ちなみにバンマスは国分、全員作詞作曲編曲ができる（ジャニーズではTHE GOOD-BYE以来）

ちなみにジャニーズは昭和の頃はバンドが多かった

今はTOKIOとバックバンド専門ジュニアが1組

All 5 of them have sponsorship deals with makers, like regular musicians.

Matsuoka and Kokubun's roadies aren't composed of Juniors, but are staff from the makers.

Even on tours and music programs, the maker provides all the equipment and does all the setup.

But of course, each one of them has his personal collection.

And Kokubun is the band master. Then all of them can write lyrics, compose, and do arrangements (first group in Johnny's since THE GOOD-BYE)

Leader used to be in a lot of bands during the Showa period.

Now, there's a junior group who's there specifically as TOKIO's backing members.

http://image.excite.co.jp/feed/news/Cyzowoman/Cyzowoman_201102_post_3166_1.jpg

20：ドレミファ名無シド 2013/04/21(日) 12:21:16.94 ID:5+nJUbZI

長瀬は凄いビンテージコレクターなんだよな

58年ゴールドトップやら黄金期グレッチのホワイトファルコン、50’ストラト等かなりの数持ってる

Nagase's a vintage collector.

He has a '58 Gold Top, a Gretsch White Falcon from the golden era, a '50s Strat and many others.

http://blog-imgs-18.fc2.com/t/o/m/tomomami/FreeEasy06.03-1.jpg

29：ドレミファ名無シド 2013/04/21(日) 19:04:54.55 ID:G7mk0j3S: >>20

確かに演奏力はともかく長瀬のギターコレクションはすごいし、各機の説明聞いても

本人が楽しんでるようだ
Regardless of his playing skills, Nagase's guitar collection really is something, and he really looks like he's enjoying it whenever he talks about his collection.

33：ドレミファ名無シド 2013/04/21(日) 23:49:44.62 ID:P4Ebldjh: >>20

数年前のギターマガジンでTOKIOのライブ機材レポートが載っていたが

結構良いビンテージ物を使用していて驚いた
I saw TOKIO's live concert equipment in a guitar magazine a couple of years back, and I was surprised that they were using really good vintage stuff.

22：ドレミファ名無シド 2013/04/21(日) 13:14:07.97 ID:Ph4Qu0t7

詳し杉だろw
You guys know too much LOL

23：ドレミファ名無シド 2013/04/21(日) 13:16:57.68 ID:dmLO0GP9

そういえばだいぶ昔のBANDやろうぜにTOKIOの機材紹介があったなぁー
Which reminds me, the magazine BAND Yarouze featured TOKIO's equipment a long time ago

24：ドレミファ名無シド 2013/04/21(日) 13:24:28.77 ID:ON9cKc04

TOKIOにしても堂本剛にしても福山雅治にしてもお前らよりは上手いよ

だってバックミュージシャンに教わり放題なんだから

福山なんかは今剛に直接レッスン状態だろ

I think TOKIO, Tsuyoshi Domoto, and Masaharu Fukuyama are all better than you guys.

They're being taught by their session musicians after all.

Even Fukuyama's learning all he wants from Tsuyoshi Kon right now.

http://img2.blogs.yahoo.co.jp/ybi/1/90/6f/mb_avant_garde/folder/1264391/img_1264391_26982233_1?1235392714

25：ドレミファ名無シド 2013/04/21(日) 13:35:07.15 ID:YaSFbDgD

レコーディングはスタジオミュージシャンだよ
Studio musicians play on their records though

26：ドレミファ名無シド 2013/04/21(日) 13:36:59.14 ID:PdLJoiOD

大概がそうだろうよ
別に驚かんやろ
That's true most of the time.
That's not really surprising.

38：ドレミファ名無シド 2013/04/22(月) 14:27:09.89 ID:4ZZC6Ke/

長瀬、堂本剛は楽器好きで有名
Nagase and Tsuyoshi Domoto are well known to like musical instruments

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/wemmy109/054.jpg

39：ドレミファ名無シド 2013/04/22(月) 21:16:08.55 ID:BmkWBC5C

長瀬は今では野村直系のギターマニア
Nagase now is a guitar maniac similar to Nao Nomura

http://x28go.s12.xrea.com/mt/img/nomurayoshio20090219144125703.jpg

42：ドレミファ名無シド 2013/04/23(火) 15:17:05.04 ID:xUlfzYIu

男闘呼組は初期はあて振りが多かったらしいが後期はちゃんと弾いていたらしい
Otokogumi used to fake their playing during their early days, but they seemed to be playing towards the latter stages of their career

43：ドレミファ名無シド 2013/04/23(火) 15:48:38.17 ID:T7NzvrLX

アテぶりは、メーカーや番組の都合もあるから仕方ない
実は口パクよりも歴史が古いごまかし演出
Faking the performances sometimes can't be helped due to the instrument maker and the program's circumstances.
That sort of art is actually older than lip-syncing

45：ドレミファ名無シド 2013/04/23(火) 16:44:10.48 ID:ant9vB28

ミスチルのドラム、アルフィーの右側、スクェアのキーボード
こいつらよりはTOKIOの方が上手いよ
I think TOKIO is better than
MisChil's drummer, Alfee's right side and Square's keyboard player.

47：ドレミファ名無シド 2013/04/23(火) 19:58:31.92 ID:8xOR84gp

TOKIOは番組もあるから、練習大変だろうなあ
音楽一本だったら良かったのに
TOKIO have their TV shows too so their practices must be pretty tough.
It would have been nice if they solely focused on playing music.

48：ドレミファ名無シド 2013/04/23(火) 21:02:05.94 ID:5OO+2W3U: >>47

福岡でのライブの前日にメンバー全員で島の開拓を始めるバンドは世界中でTOKIOだけ。

仙台でのライブ終わりに新幹線で東京に直帰して、翌日に朝の生放送のMCを終えてから盛岡でライブをするベーシストは世界中でTOKIOの山口だけ。

TOKIO's the only band in the world who started cultivating an island one day before their concert in Fukuoka.

TOKIO's Yamaguchi is the only bassist in the world who, after their concert in Sendai, took the bullet train back to Tokyo to do his live morning hosting duties then immediately go to Morioka for a concert.

http://jmania.jp/jblog/files/2011/08/82260125.jpg

49：ドレミファ名無シド 2013/04/23(火) 22:10:39.41 ID:ZYnzUMho

TOKIOって作詞作曲も自分たちでするの？？
Do TOKIO write and compose their own songs?

55：ドレミファ名無シド 2013/04/24(水) 08:12:44.60 ID:+VzHxW0M: >>49

http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/17_(%E3%82%A2%E3%83%AB%E3%83%90%E3%83%A0)

松岡はPV監督もしてる。

Matsuoka even directed a music video

http://pic.prepics-cdn.com/pib65586588/6680828_163x291.jpeg

50：ドレミファ名無シド 2013/04/23(火) 23:46:38.79 ID:1PjPfQ2D

そこはしないだろ　アレンジとかも全部まかせなんじゃね
They probably don't. I think they let other people do their arrangements and stuff.

51：ドレミファ名無シド 2013/04/24(水) 03:46:37.86 ID:tYyIf5Z9

こないだのドラマの曲は、作詞作曲編曲長瀬だってよ

Nagase wrote and composed the song for that previous drama of his

65：ドレミファ名無シド 2013/04/25(木) 03:13:44.19 ID:OonUaJPS

長瀬の声質がいまいち普通　
もっとエモーショナルな歌い方だったら良さそう
The quality of Nagase's voice is too normal.
It would probably be better if he sang with a bit more emotion.

67：ドレミファ名無シド 2013/04/25(木) 09:14:17.23 ID:oUYbaHrG

長瀬の歌い方はやはりジャニなんだよな
あそこって結局、手越や坂本にしてもそうだけどジャニ内だから上手いだけで、業界の中では普通なんだよ

FNSやミュージックフェアで共演すると、声量からしてもう負けてる
長瀬のバンドマン向きじゃない歌い方は貴重と言えば貴重だが
ただ、歌にしろ楽器にしろジュニア時代に０からはじめたのだから、その上達振りは凄いよ

一説によれば滝沢たちとダンスグループという構想もあったらしいからね
Nagase's singing is still too "Johnny's".
This is true with Tegoshi and Sakamoto too, they're just good within Johnny's but normal within the industry.

When these guys collaborate with other artists on FNS and Music Fair, they lose to the other artists in volume.
Nagase's un-bandman-like singing may be pretty valuable though since it's pretty rare.
But be it singing or playing the instruments, he started from 0 when he was with Johnny's Jr., so his rate of improvement is really amazing.

And if some rumors are to be believed, they were almost grouped with Tackey to form a dance group.

69：ドレミファ名無シド 2013/04/26(金) 09:50:51.48 ID:aA1IW3o3

リーダーが作詞した曲
The song leader composed
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm20512475

73：ドレミファ名無シド 2013/04/27(土) 23:13:37.45 ID:349/qcIm

長瀬が他のメンバーに敬語ってなんか良いな
I find it nice that Nagase uses formal speech when talking to the other members

74：ドレミファ名無シド 2013/04/27(土) 23:31:21.15 ID:eT9oka7O

この板の大半の奴より上手い
They're probably better than most of the guys on these forums

83：ドレミファ名無シド 2013/05/15(水) 18:17:45.35 ID:ntzw6os1

城島はわりと上手い
Joshima's pretty good

85：ドレミファ名無シド 2013/05/16(木) 17:25:02.98 ID:FBNR/nE9

城島は上手くも下手でもない
ただ他4名が思いのほか上手い部類に入る

キャリア（楽器歴）を加味すると下手と言われても仕方ないけど
Joshima isn't good nor bad.
But the other 4 members can actually be categorized in the "good players" column.
But if you take the length of his career (instrument-playing) into consideration, I think it can't be helped that he's called a bad player.

86：ドレミファ名無シド 2013/05/18(土) 18:36:13.55 ID:1ke10qGY

バタヤン並にギターの位置が高い長瀬
Nagase positions his guitar up high, just like Batayan

http://blogimg.goo.ne.jp/user_image/4d/4a/26423776c0b233b1319c76dadc9229a4.jpg

87：ドレミファ名無シド 2013/05/22(水) 23:38:52.34 ID:ou1b+L7A

演奏力の高さは別としてもう20年やってるんだからアイドルでもそれなりに弾けるだろ
Regardless of their playing ability, they've been at it for 20 years already so they can probably play well to some extent

88：ドレミファ名無シド 2013/05/23(木) 19:23:19.62 ID:xbr1sO+m

長瀬はジャニーズ差し引いてもロックボーカリストとして華があると思う。

甲斐バンドの曲ような、７０年代のちょっとだけ演歌テイストの入った泣きのロックとか歌うと似合う。

I think Nagase has this glamour of a rock vocalist going on for him, even if you ignore that he's from Johnny's.

I think something similar to Kai Band would suit him, like a wail-like '70s rock music with some enka taste.

http://www.suruga-ya.jp/database/pics/game/g8794028.jpg

92：ドレミファ名無シド 2013/05/25(土) 14:43:09.95 ID:2EmdBSmR: >>88

そうかなぁ？長瀬は好きなんだけど（特にコメディ俳優として）

見た目は男くさいが声はモロジャニーズなんだよなぁ長瀬
Really? I like Nagase (especially as a comedy actor).
He does look manly, but his voice is soooo Johnny's.

89：ドレミファ名無シド 2013/05/25(土) 00:22:21.44 ID:9W1Ds8v9

ねーよ
ジャニーズの中じゃマシだが、
正直ジャニーズじゃなかったら
やっていけないレベルだろ
No, they're not good.
They're probably good within Johnny's, but if they weren't in Johnny's, they won't even be able to make a career out of it.

90：ドレミファ名無シド 2013/05/25(土) 08:57:17.31 ID:rwVol+wB

まあ、FNS歌謡祭で吉川と共演した時とか明らかに声量に差があったけど、今のバンドでボーカルとして成立してる野が少ないことを思えばギリギリ合格ラインだろうよ

なんでもジャニ＝下手と決め付けるが、最低限の技量がある連中もいれば、非ジャニでもプロ失格レベルがジャンル問わず増えてるのも事実
It was evident that he had this discrepancy in vocal volume with Yoshikawa when they performed on FNS Kayousai. But if you consider the fact that there are a few like him who does a lot of things and sings as a vocalist in a band then I think you can barely consider him above the passing mark.
People always tend to think that Johnny's = bad, but not all of them are as some still have the minimum required talent. But it is also a fact, even outside Johnny's, that those who aren't even suited to become pros have been getting their break.

91：ドレミファ名無シド 2013/05/25(土) 12:40:58.68 ID:G54l3uGn

聞くところによると楽器屋で長瀬がギター弾いてるところを偶然に見たヤツがいてそいつが言うには
ギターは下手じゃなく意外と上手かったと聞いたけど実際どうなのよ？
According to what I heard, someone saw Nagase playing the guitar in an instrument shop and said that he wasn't bad, and was actually unexpectedly pretty good. What about it?

94：ドレミファ名無シド 2013/05/26(日) 01:32:44.32 ID:9VlwqUPH: >>91

歴があるから当然弾ける

でも意外にうまいとかジャニーズの割にはうまいとか

但し書きつき
He does have experience so of course he can play. But saying "unexpectedly good" means that he's good despite being in Johnny's. There will always be that disclaimer.

93：ドレミファ名無シド 2013/05/25(土) 17:00:03.62 ID:9W1Ds8v9

ロックのボーカルは、音程とかそんなに正確じゃなくても個性があればＯｋだけど、長瀬の場合そもそも個性をどうこういうレベルに達してないだろ

やっぱジャニーズ特有ののど声＆地声歌唱による声域の狭さはどうにもなんない

多分他のロック系ボーカルに比べても、使う音域が低めかつ狭めだと思うよ
I think rock vocalists don't need to be always in tune, as long as they have this distinct individualism. But in Nagase's case, he's not even on that kind of level yet where you can call him distinct. You just can't do anything about that Johnny's style of singing from the throat and that narrow vocal range of his. Even when you compare him to other rock vocalists, I think his vocal range is low and narrow.

97：ドレミファ名無シド 2013/05/26(日) 09:30:48.29 ID:iSwN5E30: >>93

低いか？

音域が狭めだとは思うけどmid2C～hiA#あたりで安定している印象。

mid2Aより低い音が続くと辛そう
Is it low? I do think that he's got a narrow vocal range but he seems to be consistently within the mid2C~hiA range. It might be tough though if he goes any lower and continues with anything under mid2A.

95：ドレミファ名無シド 2013/05/26(日) 06:22:22.84 ID:rw9uelAq

城島はマーティがべた褒めしてた
Marty praised Joshima

http://www.officiallyjd.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/20130130_mflo_14.jpg

100：ドレミファ名無シド 2013/05/26(日) 21:23:31.91 ID:9VlwqUPH: >>95

マーティのコラムは基本J-POPをべた褒め
Marty basically praises J-POP in his columns

96：ドレミファ名無シド 2013/05/26(日) 09:12:15.77 ID:mIL4bUtg

ジャニの割にはという但し書き抜きでいけるのは松岡
今はプロドラマー（特に若手）少ないしな
まあ松岡のキャリアじゃ中堅だけど、中の上のなかで最下位争いぐらい
I think the only guy whom you can talk about outside the disclaimer "despite being in Johnny's" is Matsuoka. There aren't a lot of pro drummers these days too (especially the young ones). Well, Matsuoka, career-wise, can be classified in the mid-tier or above average, bur he's probably one of the worst in that tier.

104：ドレミファ名無シド 2013/05/27(月) 15:14:27.55 ID:DxQTsMsG

ジャニの割にはマシ
They're good despite being in Johnny's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHNkKqMYesc

105：ドレミファ名無シド 2013/05/27(月) 19:39:08.70 ID:l1J0y9UH

もはやTOKIOとは関係ないし
That's not related to TOKIO anymore

106：ドレミファ名無シド 2013/05/27(月) 21:00:02.48 ID:Bp5gKK3Z

国分てエリーゼやトルコ行進曲すら弾けなさそう
I don't think Kokubun can even play "Für Elise" or "Turkey March"

107：ドレミファ名無シド 2013/05/28(火) 15:39:19.90 ID:e6yYkJiZ

俺の中で、TOKIO山口≒指弾きのイメージ
For me, I always associate TOKIO's Yamaguchi playing using his fingers

109：ドレミファ名無シド 2013/05/29(水) 09:33:11.33 ID:TUprBc08

TOKIOは弾けるけど関ジャニは一人も弾けないだろ

TOKIO can play but I don't think anyone in Kanjani can

http://blog-imgs-15-origin.fc2.com/r/y/o/ryopocket/201105090012163e8.jpg

112：ドレミファ名無シド 2013/05/30(木) 10:52:32.10 ID:frpHTRMT

患者にエイトは一応弾けるけど、学芸会レベルが多数
ヘイセイジャンプは岡本健一の息子しか弾けない
Kanjani8 can play, but most of them are just on the level of school presentations.
In Hey! Say! Jump, Kenichi Okamoto's son is the only one who can play.

http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/35894745/the+background+is+too+colourfu.jpg

113：ドレミファ名無シド 2013/05/30(木) 21:02:46.16 ID:HgydClBF

そもそもジャニーズという枠の中での音楽活動なんだから
ミュージシャン的なレベルは関係ない
その中でジャニヲタ以外からも支持を受けているのだから
大成功だよね
Whatever the case, they're still this music group within Johnny's, so their real level as musicians is irrelevant. And they're even being praised by people who aren't Jani-wotas, so that makes them a huge success.

114：ドレミファ名無シド 2013/05/31(金) 03:25:00.07 ID:XRp5l+3B

タレントとしては人気があるし好感が持てるけど、
ミュージシャンとしてはまったく支持されてないだろ。

CDとか恐ろしいほど売れてないんじゃなかったっけ？
シングルも売れないから発売中止とかなってただろ
They're popular on TV as talents and are really likable, but no one's supporting them as musicians.
Even their CDs aren't selling at all. They didn't even get an album since their singles aren't selling well, right?
(Related post HERE)

115：ドレミファ名無シド 2013/05/31(金) 08:43:03.48 ID:n6RqbjBA: >>114

発売中止じゃなくて発売延期な

ちな宅急便の曲
Not cancelled, but delayed.
And here's the postal service song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SvD_kwgu6E

130：ドレミファ名無シド 2013/06/07(金) 08:37:20.02 ID:e1nN76D5

ユニバーサル移籍後以降はアテブリないけどな
そういうのさせないレコード会社だし
ソニー時代はCDなんか難波さんとか弾いてたのは確か
でも本人たちが弾いてくれてる人たちのもとへ通ってマンツーマン指導受けてたから、
自分らでできるバンドになったんだけどな
They've actually never faked playing after switching to Universal Music.
That's a recording company that doesn't allow that kind of stuff.
When they were with Sony, I think Nanba-san played for them.
But they all learned from these session players who played in their place, and they've become a band who can do it by themselves.

150：ドレミファ名無シド 2013/07/17(水) 17:45:07.65 ID:dWAEgNSX

テレビじゃ歌ってないでしょ、ライブはちゃんと歌ってるけど
I don't think they sing live on TV shows. They do at concerts though.

151：ドレミファ名無シド 2013/07/17(水) 20:18:12.23 ID:aVlHqWss: >>150

むしろTOKIOがテレビで口パクなのを観たことない。

生演奏なのはFNSくらいだけど、別にこれはTOKIOに限ったことじゃないし。
Actually, I've never seen TOKIO lip-sync on TV ever. The live-playing must only be the one on FNS, but that's also true for the groups other than TOKIO.

154：ドレミファ名無シド 2013/07/18(木) 09:16:36.18 ID:rChHWvo0

口パクだのアテブリだのは、番組サイドの都合の方が大きいからね
いきものがかりが一度も生歌生演奏したことないのが良い例
Lip-syncing and faking the playing just depends on the program's circumstances. A good example is Ikimonogakari who have never sang or played live.

162：ドレミファ名無シド 2013/07/19(金) 05:33:43.94 ID:KNlseIvw

山Pの抱いてセニョリータ事件なら歌詞はそのままだったぞ。

But Yamapi's "Daite Senorita" accident's lyrics were sung as is

(related post HERE)

163：ドレミファ名無シド 2013/07/19(金) 09:15:22.58 ID:Ar2OE/Rq

生演奏はトラブルも多くて面倒だが生歌めんどくさがるレベルだとテレビやれないと思う
There will be a lot of problems that occur with live playing and it's pretty troublesome, but those who don't even want to sing live on TV shouldn't even be appearing on TV.

166：ドレミファ名無シド 2013/07/20(土) 19:16:47.36 ID:nzUrtJft